Converging Apostasy: NAR and the New World Order

Music Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum.org, and with me I have Steve Montgomery, the author of the converging apostasy, and a quick outline of hands-on eschatology, a matter of timing and agency.

And together, we're examining the themes of apostasy in the New Apostolic Reformation and its history. Steve, it's a good day. I mentioned this the last time we recorded that the new book was on its way and would probably be released before or soon after the last podcast.

And I think the last podcast went out and the new book is now out. Weaponized Religion from Christian Identity to the NAR in English. And as of this weekend, I have taken a note from the playbook of Charles Paisley.

And I've got a French version coming out. I think the Kindle is already out as of now in French. And soon the Spanish version will be coming out. So I have published my first French and Spanish book, which is kind of funny, considering I don't speak either.

But there are tools that Charles showed me, how to use, that magically now I have my book in French. And anyway, it's out in all of the Christian identity stuff. It doesn't cover the apostasy stuff. You'll need to get Steve's book.

But the part that I usually navigate towards, the Christian identity stuff, you can find the entire history of it in this book dating back, you know, far before Pentecostalism all the way up into the NAR.

Yeah, well, John, that's really intriguing and great to hear that you have that new book out. I'll be looking forward to getting the copy of it. The part about having it at other languages, I think you really have to focus on putting it in Hindi.

And once you've got that in Mandarin, I think I think you'll be set. So speaking of being set, what I kind of set my eyes on for today is, I guess what people would call pseudo intellectuals and propagandists that may be behind the scenes, pulling strings and influencing others, like, say, like the popular...

do the the grunt work and they set the stage for the the doctrines and the like I said pseudo intellectual backing. So in the past I've been focusing a lot on the action of a sacred purge through the ideas of the Cyples of Jane lead in the letter England of 1948 and those that they influenced in the current day NAR. So it's not just something that's you know deep in the past Jane lead yes 17th century prophetess but her influence on the 1948 prophets is then evident in the NAR today.

So also I think we've touched on this quite a bit is similar actions can be found or a promotion of the sacred purge through disciples in the new age primarily through Alice Bailey's writings but also you can see it through a host of others but she's so influential I just focus on her.

So today like I said a new category sort of new is to look at the pseudo intellectuals that essentially have the idea uh the ones I'm going to look at of joining together with the goal of making Russia and USA great again uh sound strange to many years yeah it did to me too when I heard it. So how are they going to do this? Well they have uh there's a group of folks they call this accelerationism. So what they mean is they will be accelerating their aligned in time order of events by showing chaos and creating political tension.

Oddly enough I saw a really I don't recommend this a new video but I saw it advertised it's called Wild in the Streets and this is 1968. Have you heard of that one John? No I haven't. Yeah so it's essentially some uh disgruntled young hippies that uh feel like they need to be in charge of things and the old folks are not fit to do this anymore so rather than go politically they decide to put LSD in the water and so and so they crept everybody's minds and take over. So it's a pretty lame uh pretty lame story as far as the movie and the acting goes but there's this um this behind

the scenes sort of thing. So what I would focus on in this in this group is the pseudo intellectuals like Helena Blavatsky, John Lamblash, Julius Evola, Alexander Dugin, Steve Bannon. and Nick Land. So I'm pretty sure that a lot of folks have not heard of all those names, but we'll get to them.

They all seek to view spiritual, political, and even scientific means to accelerate the downfall of society and replace it with a new order. And that's expressed in many different ways. So what is accelerationism? I intend to answer this question as best as I can, based on several articles in YouTube videos.

I'm not going to give all of those, but a couple of them. Here's an article that I thought was useful. It's called accelerationism. The obscure idea inspiring white supremacist killers around the world. How a techno, techno capitalist philosophy morphed into a justification for murder. And that's by Jack Bochamp, 2019. And then another one out of the titles pretty bizarre. Accelerationism and fetamine philosophy and a death trip by Jules Evans, and that's 2023. Then also I know that we came up with this name last time, but I think this is odd, but also strangely appropriate is accelerationism is

also discussed and promoted by a blogger named Azazel. There's a lot to unpack there. But it made me go back and think of all of the different weird facts that that I've uncovered in my research, not all of which I've published, because some of it edges really close towards conspiracy theory, which I avoid altogether because it can brand you as you know, publishing inaccurate information. However, MK Ultra, there is enough documentation out there that is factual. And even though the term conspiracy theory was made to literally throw people to throw up a distraction away from this, the government, the United States

government put LSD on the streets in an attempt to stop a civil rights war, basically, because of literally because of the Christian identity stuff that we've been talking about. So there was an actual plot to put LSD on the streets, but it was staged by the United States government. And the interesting, the reason why I'm bringing this up, which is interesting, in Latin rain, a lot of people who are disconnected don't realize this, but the Christian identity themes that birth later rain, included the Jewish conspiracy, the thought that there were false Jews that were intent on taking over the

world, global domination. Well, there was a Russia component and a Rome component that merged into that when it became the, when Christian identity became the very racist violent thing that it transitioned into. And so the LSD being put onto the streets was the government's attempt to stop what these racist were claiming was an impending race war and which was actually developing because of the racists. So it was, you know, almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. But that is believe it or not, that is the world that I grew up in. We, we were taught that there would be a Russian threat to the United States and it would come at the time in which there

was a female president and then the entire world would be utterly destroyed. So if you look at what's happening today with the, with the two candidates running for president and the events that are happening in Russia, I'm sad to say that in the cult that I escaped, there is a tremendous amount of fear because they believe this is the scenario for the end of days. And it is a history that has repeated itself because back in the 60s, they thought the same thing, which is why they think this today, it's, it's the same cult just a different decade. Yeah, John, that's really amazing. It's like

reading my notes here, what I prepared to talk about because a big component of this is the pseudo intellectuals that really are trying to, excuse me, stoke a race war and so that goes to the left, that goes to the right and the idea of a Jewish conspiracy, the deep state and there's folks behind the scenes, the elders of Zion, etc. And the civil rights issues you're discussing. So the next thing I was going to point out is just as sort of what you're talking about there in a big way, is accelerationism sort of draws a line in the sand, but instead of saying you guys on the right

wing or you guys on the left wing are counted out, they have intellectual, intellectual backing to say we're both in the same game. So it's kind of a twist on what you're saying, but I found it interesting that folks on the left and the right that are a part of this accelerationist idea, they both desire to destabilize and take over all existing systems.

So wherever we heard that before, it's like the nr7 mountains and for them it also includes education, religion and government than some other categories. So as a result both forms of accelerationism desire rapid changes in society by any means necessary.

means that the best things for them that left us in white supremacists can do is to accelerate as they put it, discord, death, and destruction. And this, it's their actions are pretty much like starting a fire with a accelerant, like, say, gasoline.

So who started all this kind of stuff? Well, like a lot of your research is very hard at pinpoint one person. But people who have kind of been observing this movement say that he's following Nick Land has, he's been described as the Godfather of accelerationism.

So what about him? He co-founded the cybernetic culture of research institute or unit rather, aka the CCRU. It sounds like a NASA group, but they like to put words that like, they were a research group of intellectuals that mixed techno-science, scientific racism as if there's something that actually exists.

And Jonathan, you've mentioned this a lot, they also are actually into science fiction. So and then as I was reading about it, just came to my mind, no, please, not again, but yes, again.

They also dabbled in the occult. So the intellectuals, sure, they're highly educated, they've got a high IQ, but they seem to think the occult is a way to go to learn. So to be more specific, quote, I really mean by saying that they dabbled in the occult.

Well, one is that they followed some of the ideas of Nazi eugenics that were based on the occultists Helen Blavatsky's philosophy. As far as Blavatsky's philosophy goes, it sought to compare the study of religion, philosophy and science, even though they had some really wackar religious ideas, they tacked in there the science component.

And here we go again, oddly enough, the CCRU that Nicoland was a part of, moved into the home up, there was formerly owned by the Satanist, Alistair Crowley. And so while they were in his home, they practiced what they thought were rituals to call down demons.

These demons reportedly told them the secrets about Lemuria and the Lemurian tradition that supposedly contained everything that was and will be. Well, having read a lot of Jade Leeds stuff and other similar sorts of writers and manifest sons of God movement is very similar to their idea of a conscious pre-existence.

evidence. And so you can hear this through one of her disciples in the latter reign. Role Cronquist, he says that there are revelations that came before Genesis 1. Also David Ebal, very tight with Bill Britten. Ebal talks about the volume of the book, which contained these pre-existent pre-Genesis 1 ideas.

So you might have heard this also from Wesley Swift, but this runs parallel to his ideas about creation when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy. Well, he wasn't the only one that taught that. You can also hear George Houghton, one of the guys that really got the lettering started in 1948. And numerous other manifests, sons of God teachers, talk about this stuff. All enough, it's also like the occultist Helena Blavatsky and Edgar Casey's, Akashic record, this thing, the captain into the secret knowledge of the Republic of the universe, which mostly ends up being a lot of hooy, but also

can have angles to it like the racist ideas, and then we will be gods and takeover that kind of nonsense. So fifth in this connection of ideas coming from land that essentially will be designated as a cult, was that the CCRU also were fascinated with covalistic numerology. So again, tying this into manifest sons of God, lettering teachers, who influenced the NARA, who was also interested in this, would be George Tornock, Bill Breton, Royal Conquest, David Ebal, and Lauren Behold, there he is again Franklin Hall.

And William Brannum, who spearheaded the movement, also believed that there was a race prior to Genesis. He said that he believed that there was another civilization that existed before, and I can't remember the exact phrase, but the people had hands like a monkey and tail like a, I don't know exactly what he said, but what he's essentially referring to is the mud people that Wesley Swift was teaching. They were all teaching the fact that there was this race that pre-existed Genesis, and it was the Devil's Kingdom, and God planted the humans that were the white race, and then, you know, the history there. It is

still science fiction, but they have a historical version of science fiction, but where it gets interesting is they brought in later the UFOs, so they brought in the futuristic science fiction with the prehistoric science fiction, with that too, but it was largely diminished. All of the leaders in Brannemism today, many of them had to have been aware that it was teaching the Wesley Swift doctrines, and I strongly suspect that the elders talked among themselves, but to the average person who's hearing it, it's been scrubbed from the recordings, and they don't really, except for the phrases they've missed,

you don't really find it so much. But it developed into a very horrific thing in the 60s because they literally thought that people who had dark skin came from mud people and that they were less than human, which is not a Christian way to live by no means. And that's how it developed. But where it gets interesting is when you take those themes, those racist ideas and not racist themes, and consider the fact that they're merging in gnostic ideas, mysticism, and creating almost a futuristic Lord of the Ring style end-of-day scenario. And, you know, if

it were a movie or a book, it might be one they ought to read, but I'm not really interested to hear it in my church, and that's the problem with this. They were saying these things in the churches. Yeah John, no kidding. That's amazing. What is transpired has been Christian doctrine. And, of course, there are fruits of that. And so as far as this guy land, well, he has fruits of his influence. Here's a couple of items I would mention. Since 2016, land, so-called dark enlightenment, has been recognized as an inspiration for far-right movements like the alt-right, which of course Steve Bannon has said great

connections with. And then it would take too long to discuss that, but then if you take Steve Bannon's connections and who he who's he affiliated with in the NAR, they can see there's there's these strings attaching all different directions. And that's where the the influence can can transpire. Okay, so here's some example of the fruits of land's influence on white supremacists' violence.

They include the murder of a young gay man who's named Blaze Bernstein. The terrorist attack on Pittsburgh's Tree of Life synagogue. The attack on Mosque and Christ Church New Zealand and the shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Right, that's exactly the point I was stressing earlier. Whenever you take something that is so anti-biblical and then mix it with people who have a leaning towards extremism, they're going to take it out to very extremist ideas. And modern examples of things that can go wrong. I've mentioned in the book, and I can't remember the exact phrase,

but in the NAR world today, you have Mike Bickel, who was in the leader of IHunk K.C., saying things like God likes, Jesus likes bloodshed. I can't remember the exact quote, you'd have to go get it from the book, but he's saying things like this, which if I were to hear his entire sermon in context, I'm still gonna say it sounds bad and sounds awful, but to the people listening, they probably thought that it wasn't so bad that he said this, and I'll probably get people who are defending that statement, but the problem is if there's anybody in the audience

who has any mental health issues or if they are inwardly and extremist, they could take this out to levels far beyond what Bickel ever intended to say. And that's really the problem with these kind of statements, I think early on in Christian identity, they never really anticipated that they would almost create a race war, but they did.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy in the 60s. Yeah, and John, I don't know if this is the quote you were thinking of with Bickel, but he said that one of the, I'm paraphrasing like you were, one of the main points of revelation is the annihilation of human life, the taking of human life.

And he said something that's, this is a more close paraphrase, he said that when Jesus kills people, the blood will spatter up on his robe. And then later in the same manual, or I forget if it was a tape recording, but later in that same thing, he says that the end time overcomers he puts the different words to it, but they will be involved in this ministry.

Now, I think the way he gets away with that or tippy toes around it, at least in print, is that he talks about 24-7 prayer. And prayer will bring in this tribulation in which, I think one of the words I heard about was like a couple of billion people will be wiped off the face of the earth.

So yeah, yeah, to keep that really, really accurate, I would say I'm not quoting him directly, but I know that I've heard those kinds of things, similar things from him and his church. Okay, so I realized that this is, this kind of twist on words, but when I wrote it down, I put more on Nick Land, and then I said, more on, okay, more on Nick Land and the land of CCRU.

So, lands. CCRU is like the esoteric neo-fascist intellectual Julius Evola Who was an advisor of both Mussolini and Hitler? So his his street credit is about as bad as you can go, but yeah, Evola had what was at the ride the tiger I think it was on the bestseller's list and you know his behind-the-scenes pulling strings and And we'll see something pretty amazing about that in just a second So how is this this idea of Of a race war and all of that gonna happen well land sees attacking racial minorities in Jews as a way of bringing us closer to race war

With the goal of establishing a white dominated future So you know bring it up, but identity and in Wesley Swift Well, Swift I I don't know if you have I think he did have a doctor where he picked it up. I don't know Dr. Swift so You you and really put him toe-to-toe with the sky Nick Land or Steve Bannon as far as Intellect and being well read. I don't think I mean Swift read a lot of garbage Which you then repackaged and passed on to other folks But here's another for another person Nick Land who's he's he's pretty pretty bright fellow and he's talking the same talk about race war

Something it would fuel race war so back to Bannon Of course he was the former White House chief of staff under President Trump and He said an alt-right advocate He's been described As quote a deeply read an erudite Observer of the American religious scene with the key appetite for mystical thought Yeah, that's all true, but here's for a bigger surprise Bannon has reportedly read CCRU literature and was described by Land himself as quote fully enlightened and And then usually interesting Politician you mentioned Wesley Swift's doctorate and that's where it gets really interesting He was trained in life college by

Amy Simple McPherson's Angela's Temple. I Think it was also Philip Montsen's Christian identity school I think maybe those the combination of those two But if you look at what was going on at Angela's Temple and and I'm certain they've changed since then But there were a lot of white supremacy Leaders that were emerging from that and Christian identity leaders They were fully sold on the Jewish conspiracy theory and they were inviting key speakers like Gerald Burton Winrod to come speak at the Angela's temple back then. So, you know, if you look back at the history of

Pentecostalism, that is significant, because even the 50th anniversary of Pentecostalism was held at the Angulous Temple. They had a significant impact on the Pentecostal world. And you can't say that all Pentecostals believe this because they don't. But there was a period of time in which a majority did.

Yeah. And the same thing, not all people connected with Bane and her who've shown up somewhere in shaking his hand. Obviously, they're not all into this kind of stuff either. But he's got that he's got the one hand is linking back to some really bad stuff through some of his associates and people he's promoted while the other one reaches to more the norm of folks in in the North. So, the next thing you have is just more morons connected to land. Well, here's one. This fellow gives instructions on just how to accelerate death and destruction. And it comes from a neo-Nazi writer named James Mason in his

newsletter called Siege. Now, I really haven't traced on who reads Siege other than neo-Nazi folks. But again, he's got a connection to to your Nickland. And this is a way he can pass on some of his ideas. Well, another surprise maybe is that this fellow James Mason literally promotes what he thinks is the approach or was the approach of Charles Manson. This brings up what and how in the world is this even possible. Well, it comes as no surprise since they corresponded with each other while Manson was in prison. And the murders committed by Manson and his Manson family to Mason, they serve as a model of

decentralized violent action. There would be hard for authorities to stop. So, I think about these lone wolf type attacks and who is behind the strings of that. Who were they listening to? And sometimes extremely hard to trace it down. But this is trickled down kind of a fact. Sort of like what you're talking about Pentecostals who studied in the Amy Simple McPherson's Dr. Mill to get their education. So according to this guy, Mason, he says if neo-Nazi's would follow Manson's example, they could start a race war accelerate again that word.

like the pace of a societal collapse, it then set up what they think would be a replacement of today's society by a fourth Reich. Well, they're really, really the deep end of the pool.

But again, it's been passed around by these folks that are sort of intellectuals. And so even this idea that you might have heard the the great replacement idea and the theory of white genocide, a lot of these ideas have a accelerationist component.

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but I did mention it. The history of what developed into the American neo-nazis parties and the Aerie Nations, for example, all of that has a drenched trail all the way back to Wesley Swift.

And you can follow that timeline. And in fact, in the trail of history that leads to that, one of the leaders, which was Gerald Burton-Winrod's son, he was part of the... Oh, what's it called? The National States Rights Party, which is a white supremacist political, right-wing political nut job. He had a PO box here in Jeffersonville, Indiana where William-brandham's home church was. And that was where it was originally... I think it was originally headquartered in Jeffersonville, which gets really crazy when you think of all of the significance of that. But there's a trail that leads there. And I get you probably seen it on the comments on my feed,

but anytime I mention anything to do with what happened at the Capitol or the president who shall not be named, they say that no, there's no connection. That was extremists and you can't blame the rest of the people for what the extremists are doing, which is partially true.

But what I am quick to point out is there's that trail of history that leads back to the origins. The origins of the NAR and the origins of the extremists at January six have a significant intersection.

And in fact, it's more than an intersection. This was common belief among a lot of people back and back at the time of this intersection. So it was what evolved into the extremism. The really scary part for me, Steve, is that the rhetoric that was used to build the emotions that created the extremists is the same exact rhetoric that's used today in the NAR.

Even though it may not have developed into people carrying AK-47s, yet they're saying the same exact things that did develop into this back in the 50s and 60s. Yeah, it's a good word there because I, you know, people tell me sometimes they say, oh, you don't really think that these guys are going to have a race war.

I think it's sort of, it does matter, but I think that's not the part that matters. The part that matters to me is that anybody like even like he said, a lone wolf type person would take deadly action or attempt to take deadly action based on these sorts of beliefs, which, as you rightly pointed out,

you can't say it's identical. It's sort of, to me, it's like playing whack-a-mo, you know, part of it crops appear you whack that, then it comes up here, then it renames itself, then you have all these tendrils interconnected influences of who influenced to who.

Well, we can probably say that that for the most part, the laterane version that Neo-Penocostal version, that manifests on God, laterane, all that, influenced by Jane Lee, would not be folks that you'd usually generally say are new age or influenced by science fiction.

However, you might have heard of this one, Johnson, and you have an interest in science fiction. There was a novel written by Roger Zelensni called Lord of Light. And this actually influenced Nick Lant, and we heard what I was saying about him.

So Sam is one of the main characters in this book, but he's known by many other names. Now, here's something that people have heard about Neo-Age stuff. He's also known as Matrea, which is the Christ, in a lot of Neo-Age teachings, and the Lord of Light.

Another way to express this, is the Christ of Alice Bailey's Neo-Age teachings. So there's another character in the book, Kali, well, she's the goddess of destruction, and she's actually based on the... the Hindu goddess of the same name, and anybody who's listening, if you've got youngsters around, you might want to get them out of the way, put something over the years.

Kali, in a lot of neo-nostic writings, is considered, quote, the sacred horror, prunicos, prunicos. And she is willing to, quote, love all who bring her gifts of chaos. Okay, so chaos, that can take us in a lot of directions, especially if you've heard or read anything that I've written about Alexander Dugin, rather than the logos, say like Christ, he has the dark logos, they like that word dark, and for him he calls it chaos.

And if you look at Alexander Dugin's writings, you can see why he calls it the dark logos. So anyway, what were some of the levels of chaos be that this movement would unleash if they had even the chance to attempt to, well, taking a step slightly backwards, I would quote somebody on this, now I have become the destroyer of worlds.

This comes from a Hindu writing called the Bhagavad Gita. It was also quoted by Robert Oppenheimer, considered the father of the atomic bomb. And this was in response to the first time that he witnessed this testing.

He described it in several ways, but one was, it was like the radiance of a thousand sons. Well, connecting that back to you, this new age writer, Alice Bailey, she actually says in her writings that atomic bombs can be used in the future to police, which she thinks of as rogue nations, they don't cooperate with this leader, the Christ, and his new world religion, as she puts it.

All of which makes for a great Marvel movie, if you like the Avengers and Thanos, which I do, but it doesn't have really a setting in church, this is not. That's the problem. In some of the other podcasts I'm doing, we're examining some really, really odd stuff.

And one of them, we're talking about the deliverance ministries. It's very much like the Harry Potter of Christianity, right? But they've taken these themes that aren't Christian and they create religious beliefs off of it.

And that's really, I mean, that's really the point of this podcast that we're doing. It is the converging apostasy. The reason why the Marvel movies have these themes is because they were popular pagan ideas.

If you go back and you study the ancient Greek and Roman religions, you're going to find all of the themes that developed into very exciting Marvel. movies. But it's not something that should be in a Christian church. And I was telling Charles, I feel kind of stupid as an adult, telling other adults that we shouldn't go being, go to church to be playing Harry Potter. That's not what we do at church. But the destroy of worlds, man, the fact that say I grew up in a Doomsday call, the Brannemism Laterane was a Doomsday called. And when you grow up in that mindset, you are expecting

a God that does not care for human life and a good versus evil scenario that the Greek and Roman gods and mythologies had, they've carried that forward into these movements. Now carry it past William Brannemism to the laterane, from the laterane into the NAR. It's the same thing, but now they're adding science fiction, Hollywood themes, the converging apostasy converges even further with modern ideas. And again, none of it is Christian, none of it really has a place in a church. Yeah, John, I'm glad you've hearted on that word, convergence, which of course is the main theme of my book, one of really the main themes.

You know, people will sometimes unrightly say that all this stuff is coming from right wing, alt-right folks and white supremacists, and others will say, no, no, it's a leftist kind of thing. Well, it's actually, it's convergence of that. If you read in my book, the converging apostasy, you'll see quite a lot of evidence for that. So to me, you can loosely say that new age is sort of on the on the left, which most of them would agree with that, Alice Bailey sorts of stuff.

And then on the right, of course, you get the folks that were influenced by Jane Leade coming on through to William Brannem and his impact on laterane folks, and then the subsequent influence on the NAR, those trails. So, but as the folks that I'm going to list now and some of their basic ideas, they all talk about the desire to bring about this destruction of the old order and bring in the new order, but you know, if you listen to them carefully, you'll see that some of them are from the right and some of them are from the left, but they are sort of converging in the

middle. So the first one is to repeat the name Steve Bannon. I can't find this lately, but John a bitch, you could hunt this down your research abilities, but I'm quite sure that I read in an interview once that Bannon said that he was actually a leftist and a linenist at heart who wants to tear down all political systems. Hmm, that's interesting.

considering the folks he hangs out with. And he becomes quite a pragmatist and a propagandist, just to take advantage of whatever's stirring in the populist moment and steering it this way or steering it that way.

But yeah, him admitting, and I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm sure that there was a, I forgot what the name of the journalist was, but they were with him somewhere, maybe it was a party or a dinner function.

And it was one of those off the cuff, off the record sorts of comments that, that Dan had made about being a leptist to this reporter. But evidently, just for accuracy sake,

the statement remains and it's in the record. So another one is the, which I mentioned before. And I mentioned him in my book, Under From Russia with Love, Questermark. He's a Russian intellectual in neo-Nostek, Alexander Dugan.

Some people have called him something like a Vladimir Putin whisperer because he's sort of the talk behind the throne and the influence. And so if you go deeper into Alexander Dugan, you can see not only does he have connections with the alt-right, another one who has connections, but he's another one that promotes us this idea of bringing all things together.

I think he calls it his the fourth way in which all things political, spiritual, and so on will converge. So here's what he also said. He said that glory, this is the exact word, comes with the return of the angels in the destruction of the world.

That's bizarre. So this is why some people call him on the sidle because he not only wants to judge the evil and set up the key then, he literally thinks that the destruction of the world is the goal at hand.

Well, it's not really great to have that and be influential to a man like Vladimir Putin. You can kind of read between the lines there. And next comes something that I found in anastic writing, not really sure the authorship, but it was called on the origin of the world.

And people might have heard me say before that in anastic writings like that of Valentinus, Sophia is considered a goddess and she's portrayed in what evangelicals were probably considered. a very Lucifer-like way. So what does she say on the origin of the world?

She says that she will be the ultimate destroyer of this material universe. Then she will cast them to juice down into the abyss where there will be obliterated because of their wickedness. So anybody on the left is into the sort of pseudo neo-nostic kind of thoughts, thinking of, oh, it's all like love and unicorns and rainbows, et cetera.

Well, if you dig deep to folks that are really influential like Valentinus and these sorts of writings, you find out there's another path that leads into this Nick Land-like stuff. So another person he fits this category is the neo-nostic intellectual, who I've read some of his writings, but he's also go figure a Holocaust denier.

His name is John Landlash. So fitting with his neo-nostic perspective, he says that Sophia is the Lucifer and he says something very pleasing to her other than an annihilation which he talks about is any effort to bring Russia and the United States together.

And then finally, there's another person who's been influenced by Blavatsky. That is the German occultist Rudolf Steiner, who has been described as broadly educated in both the sciences and philosophy. But again, even though he's an intellectual, he also predicted a global race war between Aryans and non-whites.

While you're talking, I looked up to Steve Bannon quote and it's talking about the comparisons between Steve Bannon and between John Lennon and Bannon's explains I would like to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today's establishment.

And I really wish, I wish we had recorded this podcast before I published a book because that quote would have made it. It goes with the exact theme I'm building up to because if you think about the NAR 7 mountain mandate, which all sounds really good until you, if you're a logical thinker and you think it out to it's likely conclusion, you know, there are many different outcomes that could happen should they try to enact the 7 mountain mandate.

But the most likely result of this would be exactly what Steve Bannon is pushing for, topple all of the world's systems and appoint leaders who are controlled and manipulated by the NAR profits and apostles.

And I know that sound, if you're indoctrinated and you're in the NAR, you're gonna think, no, that's not it. But if you follow what they say all the way out to its conclusion, that is the only way that it could work.

So, what Steve Bannon is saying appeals greatly to the NAR. Yeah, John, I knew you were quick with the trigger finger, and I'm glad you were very, very quick and found that reference, which I'll note and put it back in my research.

So, yeah, and again, tying back into the NAR. I'm just thinking about this, some of the outright, alt-right phrases that you will hear. So, like the NAR, like Jane Leade, like Rick Joyner and Mike Beckle, Apocalypse, or the End, or the Sacred Purge, to them it can be controlled through human efforts.

In other words, like the pseudo-intellectual accelerationist, it can be brought about. They can make it happen. So, this in the NAR under the influence of folks like, say, Bill Hammond, this would be carrying out the written judgments of God.

That's one of his favorite go-to's. And in New Age writings and those influenced by them. And also in Nick Land, you hear this. They talk about the Kali Yuga, which is the age of destruction, which brings in the New Age of Enlightenment and their leadership.

So, you have this thirst for annihilation with these folks. To them, you know, like the quote I made earlier of Dugan, it releases man. And it's a glorious moment. He goes down with a blaze of light and glory to the destruction of the universe.

But in some of these writings, it's also a return to the source. And that can be kind of vague, but they're essentially talking about a divine presence. And it can be a return to the divine pre-existent cloud of witnesses, which, as we've talked about before, are often associated with Shaqina.

The only thing that I could throw in there to make that a little bit more urgent is that you have folks like Bill Britton, who in one way tried to tip it around some of the more, you know, problematic doctrines of the latter reigning that he was already a part of.

But he made this big thing about where he was having, he asked this rhetorically one of his books. Then he says, essentially, it's not the where who is heaven. So he says that it's the people, the cloud of witnesses that's heaven.

Well, let's go and think about that. Well, heaven is supposed to descend and fill. the body of Christ here on earth. Well then you have something that it's really, really lined up with esoteric thought where they're supposed to be the shudian between individuals in the heavenlies and the body of Christ here. And so there, again, it's like a big weave going from here and there, but you're going from Bill Britton pretty much into Alistair Crowley, opening up this channel for beings to come into to the earthly realm. And for Alice Bailey she would say that's the externalization of the hierarchy coming down to bring about all these changes and make

mankind divine. But with lead, it's just very odd when people say that she is this or she's not this, lead said so much of this part of taking control. She called it the spoils of the Gentiles.

Okay, sure sounds like Nora talked to me. And then of course she had the kind of an interesting component between or contrast between universal salvation. So everybody's going to get in on this. And yeah, but whoops, you know, some folks are going to have to be removed because they're not really up to snuff. And that idea does go all the way back to Valentinus where he's got these three categories which we've talked about before John. And they show up with George Warnock, one of the more influential folks for the latter reign who influenced the NAR also. So for me to just

wrap this up rather than having all this stuff scattered around to pull it together, I have this kind of question in mind. Will the NAR find a Steve Bannon-ish or an actual Steve Bannon on the alt-right to accelerate any of this stuff we're talking about which is destruction, sacred purge, race war, any of that kind of idea? It's not a question that I'm going to answer, but if you follow what they're saying, how to its logical conclusion, and then picture people who might be mentally unstable and decide to enact the things that they're preaching, I would say it

is a very strong possibility that it could. That's as far as I'll take it. But it's so scary when you think about it, Steve. These are Christian churches and they're weaponizing the religion to turn the people into a military, and they're even using military language, Joe's army, for example, and I had another, I don't think this one has come out yet, but I've had another person that I interviewed from the NAR, and they were required to wear dog tags.

I mean, that was part of their church, I don't even call it church. That was part of their play acting that they did under the name of Christianity, under the skies of it, and that's really wrong, man.

This is taking things to new levels, and I think that if the ministers do not change, it's going to turn into a bigger mess than we can possibly imagine. Yeah, John, that is scary.

Something on the lighter note is, I was actually watching before this podcast, a show, I forgot the name of it, but it's basically some guys in Las Vegas, and it's a pawn shop. And so people bring in all kinds of interesting things.

And today, somebody brought in something that they said they were going to sell it. It's from the actual set of Star Wars, from the Death Star, and the guy wanted $25,000 because, and the guy, he was selling it to you, he says, well, I don't think we can give you that.

But he asked, what do you want that for? I mean, he says, well, I know a guy who's got the original, what is it, the Falcon, whatever. Millennium Falcon. Yeah. Somebody had the original one.

He says, if I get this 25,000, I'll be able to buy that. So yeah, I would say that even though he wants to spend $25,000, he's got his feet on the ground much more so than these dangerous folks were talking about.

Yeah, Steve, I'm a big sign-filled fan, and somebody told me one day that in every episode of sign-filled, there is a Superman, which sounds a lot cooler than it is, if you actually know what it is.

On the refrigerator, there is a poster or a pin-up of Superman, and that is what they call the Superman. When every episode of this podcast, there is a Millennium Falcon, which is right here.

My wife gave me for Christmas one day this set of paintings, but that's my claim to Star War's fame. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Anyway, we're having fun if you can't tell, so hopefully you are too.

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