Weird Doctrines: The Gospel of Snidely Whiplash

Music Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum.org and with me I have my co-host, researcher and friend, James Goad.

And together we're discussing the very weird things that preachers say, why they say them and how they relate back to the Laterane Healing Revival of the late 1940s through the 1960s. James, today we have one of those episodes that it really reaches so far beyond, I know the intro just said the Laterane Healing Revival, but it reaches so far beyond that, that it's almost difficult to contain it within the boundaries of this one episode.

As you know, Charles and I have briefly touched on this subject in the main historical podcast that we do, and some of the key figures involved with what this became. And also talked about how they tried to cover up the histories of why they said this.

Which makes it a even weirder doctrine that we can get into. And that doctrine, as you know and our listeners are about to find out, is very deeply associated with William Brannum's manifested sons of God Theology, wherein the idea that God was going to manifest Himself in human flesh, and this human flesh would, you served the role of the Holy Spirit in leading and guiding you.

They were taught literally that they were the manifestations of the Holy Spirit or whatever is their different flavor, leading and guiding, but more than that, they became little miniature dictators who were just, you know, whatever they said was the law. You had to believe it.

And if you didn't, well, you were not agreeing with the Holy Spirit for your day, my brother. Yeah, it's, ah, man, it's one of those things where now you look back on it, and it's comical because your brain can't even believe that you were susceptible to this, or you believe this?

the first place, but just the fact that in some of these movements, we allow these ministers to have such power over our minds and the things that they say are treated with such reverence.

It's crazy and digging in and trying to figure out where these things come from and how we even got to this point is so fascinating. One of the things I wanted to highlight here, just right off the rip here, is this quote from Brannem in 1951 out of my commission, and he's sort of setting up this entire thing, and this is one of the ways he does it.

So he's speaking to the crowd here and he says, Now I'm just your brother, by the grace of God, but when the angel of the Lord moves down, it becomes then a voice of God to you.

And then he stops for saying, maybe I offended you by saying that, forgive me, but I felt that it might have been resented, but I am God's voice to you. See, I say that again, this time, this time that was under inspiration, see?

And I felt bad about it at first, but I repeated it. Now see, I say nothing in myself, but what he shows me, I say it, you believe it and watch what happens, see?

He did. It's so crazy to, you know, you look at this and, you know, being raised, you know, I believe stuff like this, you know, and then, you know, just just to see how this particular quote, I remember the first time I came across it, it was, it was such a, well, the first time I came across it after I started deep programming, it was because you see how he says, he says what he says.

And then he backs up and says, oh, well, maybe you didn't quite, we were quite receptive. So now I'm going to say it's under inspiration and that this is God speaking now. So now you have to be receptive.

And it's such, it's so manipulative and it's crazy to see, he literally does it in plain sight. And you're just like, afterwards, you see it and you're like, wait, what did he just really do?

What I just saw him do. Yeah, it's really it's unbelievable, man, to anybody who was raised in this and brainwashed, I don't recommend that you go back and listen to it because it becomes like listening to the pied piper, right?

You've been manipulated and brainwashed by this person all your life and he's had his way with your mind through these recordings and, you know, through the ministers who are preaching about the recordings instead of preaching about the Bible.

So I don't recommend that they listen to it, but to the people who are listening to this podcast or watching it on YouTube who are interested in learning more about the dynamics of this destructive cult, I highly recommend that you find the audio for that sermon.

It's tape index 51-0505. The title is my commission. And just listen to the voice because it will absolutely blow your mind. It sounds like, you know, having D-programmed, I went through the same thing, right?

I'd listen to it and it's like the pipe or all these bells and whistles go off in your head and you're like, oh no, he's got me, he's got me. But after you D-programmed from that and separate yourself and hear it, it really sounds like snidely whiplash, man.

It's this really, really, really fake. You can hear the fake smile on his face. That's how bad this sounds, right? I am God's voice to you, see, I say that again, that time is under inspiration, see.

And then he knows that he's saying something that is so purely evil and destructive that he feels guilt from it. You can hear the guilt. And that's a level beyond snidely whiplash, right? Because he knows that he's guilty.

And then he said, okay, I know I'm guilty, I know I'm doing wrong, I know that I am usurping the role of the Holy Spirit in all of these people's lives, but I'm going to say it again.

And then he repeats it and that time he says in that time, it was with authority, my brother. I know it's crazy because, you know, when you're raised in it, like you said, the programming is activated in your mind, you hear these things and you're taught to see them in a completely different light.

You're like, this is him coming and being meek and trying to not offend these people who are not going to receive him as the prophet messenger of the age, but he is coming and he's trying to find a way to those that will hear, you know, let him hear and he's sort of being coy and not really.

But then like when the Spirit in them, you don't have so much to say, well, God just got to get through there eventually. And so eventually he says it under the, you know, again, with the inspiration and you're just like, it's so silly, you know, because you literally see, it's like the magician forgot the first part of his trick.

And so he goes, oh, wait, let me redo this trick, but this time I got to put the inspiration part in it because that's what makes it work. And it's so wrong, man, I mean, picture this.

If I were to tell you, I would like you to come over and mow my lawn and God is speaking through me for you to do that. Don't you tell me no, brother, because God told you to mow my, I mean, there are people, that sounds silly and stupid.

And you'd say, get away from me, man, don't say that to me. But whenever you're in the setting of a church and you've turned off all your critical thought, I mean, let's face it, that's what these people are doing, turned off all their critical thought.

And this man has just told them that God is speaking through him and he is usurping the role of the Holy Spirit in their lives. And they have to listen to him because it's an audible representation of what the Holy Spirit.

should be. Well, then these people listen to it. And I'm trying to picture what it was like in that in that setting when he's saying this, this, uh, my commission sermon because this is not at his home church in Jeffersonville, Indiana. This is in Los Angeles, California. And you know, I'm trying to picture a group of people who is listening to this man who aren't in his cult of personality. They're in the broader cult, which includes, we, we've examined them hundreds and hundreds of these evangelists. So they're in this broader movement. And here's this one single

evangelist who's on the platform. Usually you can go look at the videos. Usually there's a whole seating section behind the speaker where all these men are. Sometimes it was in like a breakfast setting. And you know, we got all these tables or these men and they get up and speak or whatever.

Whatever was the setting and I'd have to go look up which one it was, but whatever is the setting, he's not the only one there. This is Los Angeles, California. All these people that hear this, and they know that this is not only heresy, but this is authoritative, domineering evil that they're listening to. What in the world did they think? And why did nobody stand up and say, that man should never be given a microphone again?

Well, and what's fascinating about that is you even hear Brandon, and this is early days, this is 51, you know, because what? His first recording that we have access to, here's what, 47. So this is not that long after when we, when he's starting to say this stuff. And what's, you know, because even he said in some of his, his sermons where they don't want, you know, they just want me to do the healing, you know, and it's like, you know, it's, it's crazy how you can kind of see where when he gets too much rope, he starts saying things like this,

and he starts saying the quiet part out loud. And yeah, it's, everyone's got their own little grift going, and some people go in different directions, and sometimes you just can't say things like this in, in front of the larger group, you know, it's like, no, no, that's not this crowd.

Don't say that in front of these people. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And we've, we've examined it a little bit in the historical podcast. There were some severe mental health issues. William Branham was diagnosed with a mental health condition that they said was incurable. And this is really evident in the later years of his life. This is 1951. He had already been through a, so they're one or two. I can't, I'd have to go back and look, but either one or two severe mental health crises by this point in time, by 1951. So if you have a person who is insane,

and they tell you, I'm God's boy. to you. You're not going to listen to it, right? Now, the entire general audience did not know that he was suffering with mental health issues, but his campaign managers did. In fact, in the voice of healing magazine, William Brannum was replaced for a period of time.

He came out and became the head spearheaded this revival. And then he had a mental health breakdown. They had to take him off and William Freeman replaced William Brannum and became the very temporary leader of the movement. And William Brannum came back. Well, everyone who saw this happen and knew that this man had a mental health break and replaced him and brought him back. They all knew this. And then to think that these same men heard him say this, why didn't nobody try to stop it? You know what I'm saying? It's like you let free reign on the man who's struggling with mental health. And they had to have

known that this would create some destructive movement. I mean, this is purely evil. And this is in a church in a, you know, maybe not a church, but it was in a religious setting.

It was probably an auditorium. But what happened was exactly that. It did turn into this weird movement. And that phrase that thought, it wasn't the first time that William Brannum said this kind of thing. But it attracted people who wanted that power. You've got Jim Jones, who is saying the same exact thing. We've got examples of that on the Jonestown.stsu.edu website. This was a thing that turned into a movement. And then after William Brannum died, other men became this new voice of authority, which we'll get into later in the show.

But these men who watch William Brannum do this, they knew that this was going to happen. And the fact that they didn't stop it, I have huge problems with this. Right. And the thing about it is, and this might be averaged you far for some people.

But I don't, I think for the vast majority of the ones that I've examined, I think that it's very safe to say that the money was just too good. The gravy train was going too well. You had the mind, you had the people were putty, their minds were putty in your hands in these meetings. And you know, there's entertainment thing of bringing a man who's going to heal and do all these things. And you examine a lot of these healing ministries and just the spectacle that they are and the things that they do to sort of enraptured

the minds of the people that are there. The stage personas in the stage acts are not too different from the things we see today. And a lot of the word of faith movement and things like that, because it's all a spectacle. And it's like, if you're just looking at it from an entertainment point of view, I don't necessarily see a problem with it.

It may be, you know, they're invoking God. And so it's problematic from that point of view. But if you're just like, if you're just treating it like entertainment, maybe whatever, but, you know, when you see some of the people from today from the word of faith movement and how they're like, it's always like, you know, I think of one example where a minister, a very popular TV evangelist was like, was like gonna blow the wind of God and eradicate COVID from the land, you know?

And it's just all these things, and it's a spectacle, it's entertainment. And, you know, these people are doing their own destructive things in their own way. And it all is part of the same template as what it feels like.

Yeah, exactly. And we've kind of went backwards. So we started with the problem and the answer is to what is this instead of the ministers, but there was a purpose behind this because if you were indoctrinated in this thing, the words that we're going to use, and I'm going to spell them out clearly here and then let you get into the research.

But the words are confusing because they're trying to confuse the minds of the people with these Greek words instead of the way the Bible is translated. And the people get so confused, they're like, oh, well, that must be right because I'm confused, he used a big word.

But one of those words is Rema. There is no equivalent in the English language of the word Rema or the word Logos in a single word. One word in English cannot contain these. There, it takes an entire paragraph of English text to understand how complex these words were.

But essentially, the Logos was translated as the perfect philosophy. It was the meaning that the philosophers gave to their philosophy. And the Rema was the action of uttering it. And so it produced a substance.

So whenever you think about this, this is the Rema would be the substance, the action of producing the substance of their perfect philosophy. So Christians get, they misunderstand this a bit in the fact that this movement has produced the notion that there were manifestations of God who could speak and produce these Rema things, right?

And then what happened is after Brannum died and this manifested sons of God began to splinter and blossom into this, basically the word of faith movement, well, then that power was then given down to the ministers so that the ministers had absolute control over their congregations.

And so the authority of the Holy Spirit then went from the hierarchy, if you look at the pyramid structure of a cult, it went from the central figure who has died to all of the enforcers.

And those enforcers now have the power to usurp the rule. of the Holy Spirit in their own churches, and people willingly submit to this, which is mind-boggling. Right. And, you know, it's one of those things when you look at manifested sons of God and all these different doctrines that was produced from Brannum, and you look at how it's all being sort of interpreted and used and abused today to come up with really these enforcement schemes that a lot of these ministers, it's sad to say, are employing to put such a weight behind the words that they're speaking.

And it was such a shock for me when I came out because I looked at, you know, I used to hold some of these ministers in such high regard because, you know, I literally believed that God was using them on a daily, on a weekly basis to try to instruct me and to try to bring me in a closer walk with God.

And when you step back from the programming, you step back, step back from all this stuff, and you start to really see, like, you know, you've talked about in the larger historical podcasts and look at where these things came from, look at their origins, look at how they were used, look at the meanings and the reason behind it.

And then you see how they're being used today, and it just, it's a massive shock to the system because it's completely opposite from how you were taught to receive it, you know, while you were in it.

But this, this clip here is a prime example of how, how these things, when taken to their logical conclusion, you can see the building blocks for really destructive things in their outcome. But yeah, let's take a look at this clip and see what we think.

God speaks to you by a ramour word, it's as if though God himself took that preacher's mouth and spoke right out of there to you, you ought to accept that as a word from God.

That's the perfect example, James, that we're talking about because, again, it was a transition of power after the central figure died, and the usage of this combination of words, the logos and the reema, where the gospel and the New Testament, it's very clear.

I will send you the Holy Spirit and he will lead you and guide you into all truth. Well, these ministers who were brought up under this laterane mess that was created, this cancer that spread throughout Americanized Christianity, what happened was, whenever the central figure died, then they became what the central figure was in his authoritative structure to their churches, and there's really no centralized leadership for this.

Every single one of the different branches that emerge from this movement. How you've got differing churches with differing schools of thought on what the central figure meant whenever he said something that was just completely off the rails.

Again, from a person who has severely challenging mental health issues, well, none of them are cohesive and coherent, and so what you have is a lot of confusion. They're trying to tell you that this perfect word that is uttered through their mouths to their congregation, they're using the word Rema as though it is the perfect word from God.

They're trying to say that this is something that God Himself is speaking through them, and put any one of these two ministers from these different branches of this laterane movement, put any two of them into a room together and have them talk about their theology, and you'll probably end up with a fist fight.

That's how different these men are. Yeah, it's amazing because I remember growing up and being told that we had the perfect understanding. We differed from your group and other groups, and we thought we had it right, and then our minister was the one that was spearheading that movement, and then you look around at all these other people, and they're doing the exact same thing.

They're saying, our group has it right and whatever, but even worse, when you really dig down into the logical conclusion of where these things go, when a minister is saying that God is literally speaking through me, and you ought to accept that as a word of God, when God's doing it.

Now, you don't know when God's doing it, and even the minister will say, well, I don't even know when God's doing it. God just chooses when they take control of the vessel, and the word, you know, you'll hear a minister say, I don't even know where this is coming from.

I don't even know why I'm going in this direction, and they'll set up this mystique of God is taking control of the wheel at this moment, and God's walking down the pew to speak directly to you in your pews.

And it sets up this thing where you are the one that has to be attentive to understand when it's actually God, because the minister is not going to tell you directly, because that would be showing the hand, that would be exposing the intent, but when it's upon you to the minister says the things, and you have to understand when it's God, because you're responsible for if God's saying it, then you're responsible if you don't obey it.

So people very easily fall into this thing of, well, I'm just going to accept, I'm just going to err on the side of caution, and I'm going to accept that maybe most of the time it's God, and I just need to be listening most of the time.

And when you fall into that side of it, things get really dangerous, really quick, and it's, yeah, it's crazy to see the progression of this thing, this so many years later, and see where it's being taken.

Absolutely, and I think people don't realize the danger. The things that were going on behind the scenes in this movement. We've talked about it in the historical podcast, but there were forces at play that had nothing to do with religion.

We're talking organized crime, politics, Nazism. There's so many different elements to this, and we've talked about if you go way, way back in the early parts of our podcast, we talk about the ties to the liquor rings that was supplying the Chicago mob with their whiskey and liquor, and we can't have an episode about Rema without mentioning the Kenneth Hagen ties to this, and he's got the Rema Bible School, and the word Rema, when you mentioned this to a Christian today who's familiar with all of this, they immediately think Kenneth Hagen, and they think that he introduced this

concept, but he was part of this broader movement, and he was deeply, deeply connected to it. We've got, on the website, if you go to the Kenneth Hagen page and click on government documents, you'll find that in the year, I think it's 1984 or so, he, Kenneth Hagen, his Evangelistic Association was joined, and think about this, the word Rema means literally the utterance of a spoken word, a voice of God.

It's so tied to this whole thing that William Brannum was saying. But in 1984, Kenneth Hagen joined with the William Brannum Evangelistic Association, which was William Brannum's own organization from Jefferson, Vilandiana, with the voice of God recording studio, and think about that, the voice of God, Rema, Logos.

Also spoken word publications, again, spoken word, Rema, Logos, all of these names, even the names themselves, are representation of this thing that William Brannum was introducing into American Christianity. This is 1984. We're talking, William Brannum had been dead for a year, over what is it, two decades.

He had been dead, and these men are still in bed together. Yeah, it's amazing, because I remember growing up and hearing spoken word all the time. Even though my group was very militantly against your group, because we consider you all the heretics, which is all hilarious, and in retrospect, it's all funny.

When you really allow yourself to really look at it, it is quite hilarious. just to think we're constantly being indoctrinated with spoken word and all these things. And while I don't, I feel like the, the Rima turn and, and what I'm hearing these days is, is sort of a, it feels like a new turn. But in reality, it was already there. It was already in the mixture. It's just, it's being verbalized in a different way now. And like you said, you got spoken word, Rima, it's, it's, we're saying the same thing. We're just using different

language now. And even like you've shown, other people got there in different ways, you know, through other branches of the movement. They already got there. They already sang it. And other people are just co-opting it now. It's, it's crazy. And, you know, and, and even like, you know, Hagen and those guys, it's, it's, it's amazing because I always, I, and I've said this before, I was always taught to see them as they were the frauds. They were the ones that tried to, Brandon was the only true. Healer, you know, a prophetic person of that time. And, and so,

all these other people tried to copy and, and all, and all these things. But, but then you look at how deeply tied these people are, how, how embed together they are. And then you see, you see the tendrils of things that Brandon was, was introducing and speaking, still reverberating today through these ministries and on all these different branches, whether you're, were to faith or, or, or, or laterane or whatever, it's all reverberating still through. And it's amazing how it, it's gotten, there's so many of these branches that have gotten so far distant from each other, that it's got,

it's gotten so hard to trace it back. What when you do through, through, especially through the, through the main historical podcast and you really see how everything is connected, it really is, is like, really shows you how widespread it is and how much it's still affecting people today. And it's, it's crazy because in my, in my worldview, I always saw the, the, the, the, the laterane movement, the things that I was associated with. I saw these things as such an isolated thing, but I didn't know I had second cousins out there being taught, being influenced by the same

things I was influenced by, even if they didn't know where they came from. Yeah, and not even from a religious standpoint, but just from a, the things that were going behind the scenes, we'll never know, we'll never have the answers because the, some of these things were criminal.

And I can't say that these men, well, one of them I can because he admits it, but I can't say that all these men were part of the organized crime. But there's a lot of weirdness. You know, I can clearly say that Roy Davis, William Brandham's mentor, was involved with many different criminal activities. We've got thousands of documents proving this on the website. He began in Texas and he was widely known all through Texas, especially in the Dallas area. He rose to become the imperial wizard of the clan and he was living in Dallas.

And he's the one who mentored Brannum. There's this weird question as to why he and his brothers chose Jeffersonville. And we've examined that fairly thoroughly. The question being, was he connected to the Brannum family before he moved to Jeffersonville and what brought him to Jeffersonville?

That's the question we've posed that before. But again, he was from Texas. And he was from just across the border to Oklahoma where William Brannum says that his mother and father lived. And in fact, he says they were just north of Paris, Texas.

And that's where Davis was. Davis, then again, like I said, he gets into the embedded into the Dallas Fort Worth area. Well, that's the same district where Kenneth Hagen was born. Hagen was born in McKinney, Texas.

So were they connected before? I don't know. But then you enter Kenneth Hagen's brother, Dub Hagen into this equation. We've talked about the organized crime, the liquor rings, all of this stuff. Well, Dub Hagen later admitted that he was part of the mafia underworld.

And he said that he was connected directly to Al Capone. So we've got Charles Brannum, William Brannum's father. He's producing liquor that is going to Al Capone to the Chicago mob. And you've got Dub Hagen.

He says that he was connected to Al Capone long before Capone was even in Chicago, which is really weird. He says that he was part of the one who introduced Bonnie Parker to Clyde Barrow.

Now that's the famous Bonnie and Clyde James. It's Dub Hagen, who says, I connected Bonnie and Clyde. Wow, it's amazing, because it's sobering when you really look at a lot of these things and really dig down and look at their history.

And because when it's being presented to you in a religious context, it has a way of being so powerful in your mind. And the fact when you see some of these guys and see the charlatanous nature of what they're doing and you look at their associations and the things they try to hide, and it really does help demystify a lot of this.

And it really helps break that connection in your mind. And you can see why so many people have their stage personas. And they hide the truth of their origins because they've got skeletons that they don't want exposed.

And it's sad that some of them... us were so bamboozled for so long, but you know, it is, it is nice that at least now we can actually look and see these things for what they are. You're right. And you know, these men, they can literally say anything that they want. As long as they have convinced and manipulated you to believe that whatever I'm struggling not to use the word I want to you to use, but whatever things come out of their mouth. I'll just say it like that. Whatever things come out of their mouth, which is even nonsense, right? They can tell you nonsense, but if they tell you nonsense

with the authority that that came from God, this nonsense came from God, these people believe it. And Kenneth Hagen, who's, you know, he's got this Rema Bible college, he came from this movement. He was in bed with these guys in the 80s, as late as the 80s, long before this, but as late as the 80s. And probably beyond, go back and just listen to some of the things that he claims is this Rema, listen to him, give his spiritual utterances. And you're going to hear that. If you've never heard it before and you hear the way he babbles in the way that it's, when I heard it the first time,

I actually pictured a park setting where a woman's pushing a stroller and a baby and a guy leans over to, hey, that's a cute baby and the baby looks up and makes the sound. That's what I pictured when I heard Kenneth Hagen. Yeah, it's crazy because, you know, I'm not as familiar with Kenneth Hagen as I am with some of the other guys that I've seen, but, you know, it's, it's, it's crazy because, you know, a lot of these guys are still active today, still doing their stuff and, and a lot, they're still a ton of people that are spawning off of the movements that these

guys have had going on. You know, but one of the guys that always comes to mind is Kenneth Copeland because it was amazing because I, I encountered his, it's a very infamous quote about, you know, being in a plane as in a tube of demons and all these, all these worldly and ungodly people being around you and God can't speak to you because you're surrounded by all these people.

And it's amazing because when I heard that clip of him, that was immediately when I heard it on a podcast and they were, they were making fun of it because they were like, can you believe this TV evangelist guy is saying these things about people he's supposed to be like loving and godly and he's talking about he can't be and he has to be on a private jet because he can't be in a normal airliner because he's in this tube full of demons and God can't speak to him properly and it's just, it gets in the way of the of the spirit.

which is complete hogwash when you really think about it. It's so silly. But when I heard that, I was listening to that podcast while I was working one day. And that one single thing literally hits something in me. And I can't really quite describe it, but I literally made a turn on that very moment and went, I need to start looking into what I was raised to believe. It was very weird because it was completely out of left field. But there was, it must have been something about the way that he was saying that sounded so much like the way that my group had talked about people that

were outside of our movement. And I don't know what it was, but something just hit me and it literally just turned me on a dime. And I hadn't actually up to that point been able to really look at anything. But it's amazing that that one little thing that this guy said literally started me on a path and got me here today. It's amazing. Oh yeah. And these men, I mean, they were connected from a religious standpoint. But like I said earlier, there appears to be a much broader, much more sinister way of connecting them that we'll never have all the answers to. We

can just give you some of the puzzle pieces and let you look at it. But Kenneth Copeland is another one. He is from Fort Worth, Texas, man. That's where Roy Davis had his, had his biggest control, especially during the Latter-Ein revival movement. And you had men and we've mentioned it in the previous episodes, but you got men like Laurel Roberts, who was also part of the sting. It was, it was called the Latter-Ein message, but a lot of ministers just shortened that to the message.

This is the message. And you can hear, I think I've even got examples of Kenneth Hagen using that phrase. I know I've got like T.O. Lawsborne and some of the others, but all these men were in it.

And oral Roberts was a heavy hitter in it. We've got photographs of William Brannum holding revival meetings with Roberts. And so all these men are connected in it. Well Kenneth Copeland, who is, as an organization, is in Fort Worth. He attended the oral Roberts University. So he's being influenced by oral Roberts. And he apparently, there is a claim out there which have to dig deeper to see where it is and where it came from. But apparently Kenneth Copeland was a private chauffeur for oral Roberts. And he was also a pilot for oral Roberts. So he's in bed with

all of these guys. He's in bed with the, both the religious side and based on his proximity, there may have also been, you know, some of the ties to what was going on in the 60s and Dallas Fort Worth. The Davis was spearheading. So you've got all of this weird, weird connections between is men. Now, I can't say all of its sinister. I can't say that Copeland was involved with directly with the things that were going on with Roy Davis, but the fact that they're all in this Dallas for worth proximity and they're religiously connected, it raises huge

questions for me. You know, the fact remains that a lot of these people, when you see how their movements have progressed and how they've done their ministries, it's always centered around money and getting people to, you know, God will, God will bestow blessings upon you if you send me part of your checkbook, you know, part of the money out of your checkbook.

And you know, it's not, I was raised to believe that Brannum never lifted an offering, you know, and, you know, we know that's not true, you know, and all these things, you know, you look at all these guys, they're all doing the same trick. It's always comes back to money and how the entertainment that they're presenting people and to some people it's entertainment, to some people that gets them in the door and other people, they get caught up in the movement itself, but it always is a way to dig deeper and deeper into your pocketbook. And, you know,

it's hard to believe, you look at some of these people and it's hard to believe that they even believe in the Bible at all because the things that they're doing and the way they're manipulating people. And, you know, from, from a human point of view, I'm sure that some of these people have convinced themselves that even if what they're doing is just a placebo to the, to the person like, hey, maybe they're not actually doing anything for them other than giving them hope that maybe God will do something for them. Some people use reasoning like that to convince themselves that

they're not actually the bad guy, but when you're giving people false hope and then enriching yourself in the process, you're the bad guy. There's no way to get around it. Yeah. Entertainment's exactly right. I mean, make no mistake. Plain and simple, this was religious entertainment. That's all it was. And it's really sad when you think about it because these ministers who are preaching this thing, James, they've got one job to do every week for massive amounts of money. They've got one single job that they get paid for every 10 persons who is in their congregation. They get paid an entire salary. So you can do the math. Just look around

the church, look at the number of people in the church divided by 10. That's how many salaries that these men have. And they've got one job. And that's read and teach the Bible. Well, they found a way to bypass that because many of these men are simply regurgitating what was produced by the latarine movement. Many of them that were examining their repeating regurgitating what William Brandham said. And that is their Bible. You hear them saying, Brother Brandham said this. Brother Brandham said that. You don't hear them saying...

Now Ezekiel said this, and in Corinthians we find that, they do, but not as much as they quote, brand them, a lot of them. And what they're doing is they're mimicking the entertainment of the days gone by.

In other words, it would be like, if you look at the old Voterville shows, and you get somebody who is massively famous in Voterville, and then all of the stage-hand junkies, after whatever that famous person, whoever he was, died.

Although stage-hand junkies decided to create their own little groups, and they talk about the Voterville artist who died, and they just simply repeat his sketches or whatever. That's how sad this is. This is a dying movement that it had no life to begin with, but that which was the framework that produced it is even further diluted by these men who are claiming that whatever it is that they're saying is now this reemun, this word of God, it's just, it's really sad.

And even sadder than this, James, is thinking about the people who have unknowingly unwittingly submitted themselves to this authority, many of them not realizing that they've even done it. There is something about human beings that this is something that we're susceptible to, and there's religion has been something that has been with us for as long as we can look back through history, religion has been with the human race.

So there's something here, and it's like, that's a lot of time, that's a lot of time for people to examine what's going on, and to try to find ways to hijack that for their own benefit.

And that's also something where when we go back and we look at this history and see where these things come from, how these people got to where they are, who their connections are, who their associates are, it helps us map that stuff out in a way that kind of inoculates us to be like, okay, your foundation is fraudulent.

So I don't have to, when you say you're coming and speaking a Rema word to me, I know that you're full of it. So I can pretty much dismiss that, but without that, they play on this whole the Rema thing and be careful because at any moment God can hijack my voice and be speaking directly to you, and if that's happening in that moment and you don't listen, then you're under God's judgment.

Not my judgment, not the preacher. You're under God's judgment because you didn't listen to God and it's, it's so sad. Yeah. I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to picture in the normal world, trying to picture what would happen, picture yourself going into work, James, and you suddenly tell everybody that I have...

just had an utterance from God and I do not want to do this job that you've given me because God has spoken and I should do your job instead. I want to be the supervisor. What are they going to say to you, man? And essentially, if you really take a step back and critically think about what these men are doing, it is exactly that. God has spoken through me and I am now levels higher in authority than a minister is supposed to be. Then a biblical minister is supposed to be on levels higher in authority than that because I have this utterance from God. I have this

Rema. That is exactly what these men are saying. When you combine that with manifested sons of God, it's like, okay, I'm speaking Rema. I'm God speaking through me, but also your miniature gods too.

And as you become further into this thing and you become into a fullness of what this thing is trying to be, you are also getting, you know, you were incorporating you into the pyramid scheme.

So it's one of those things where you're getting the buying of the people because you're also, while you're tricking them, you're also telling them this other thing that makes them feel good about what they're giving up to be part of this thing. Yeah. And it's like a carrot on a stick.

I mean, what you're saying is exactly right. That's what they, that's the way that they present it. But I want, if you're in this cult and you're listening, I want one of you to just go up to the pulpit and say, I too have a Rema. I'm a manifestant son of God too. See what they do to you.

It's double stand. You're never going to achieve this double standard that they've created for you. So, you know, all I have to say is this, if you just stop and critically think, if you put yourself into a position where you are examining what is being done to your head by these men, you're going to realize that it is no different than them having a verbal ball bat and just beating you with it. That's really all it is. They're beating you into submission.

And according to biblical Christianity, these men do not have the authority to do this to you. So, I've showed the picture before and I'll try to find it if I can for the video, but the picture where this guy standing off the side of a cliff on a board and this entire group of people are holding that, standing on that board, holding him up, saying, yes, we agree with you who are demeaning to us who's standing off of the cliff. These ministers are held up by the people.

And if everybody were to critically think about what he's doing to their heads and just wake up and say, no, I'm not going to let you do this to my head. They don't even have a platform. They won't get this multiple salaries per year that they're filtering from the people and literally stealing from the people. So, if you're in this type of movement, just try it out. Go up to the platform and say, I have a Rema too, my brother. I have the spiritual authority.

you gave me when you said that I too can become this miniature God, this manifestation, this word of faith. Just try it out. See what happens. See if they like it. So if you've enjoyed the show, you can check us out on the web.

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