Converging Apostasy: Jane Lead’s Influence on the NAR

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum.org. And with me I have Steve Montgomery, the author of the converging apostasy, a collection of thematic critiques.

And together we're examining the themes of apostasy in the new apostolic reformation and their history. Steve we had such an exciting episode last time that I actually got quite a bit of good feedback and a lot of people really impressed with your knowledge and were begging us for more.

I got emails and comments in the feed and they want to hear more. And so I spoke with you and we decided to let's make this a thing. Let's dig into all of this history, how all of this apostasy is converged and morphed over time into all of these different movements and ended up to be the new apostolic reformation.

But there's a lot of stages in between this and our listeners were excited to hear how that developed and who better to do it than Steve Montgomery. Well I appreciate that intro John, it's very good of you and I'm glad to be back.

Excellent. Well last time we spoke, well there's a name mentioned that you noticed I got really excited about and that is Jane Leade. I came across Jane Leade a few different times in my research and initially I looked at this, this person's just a little crazy.

From the, what was it, 1600s, I can't even remember the date, but late 1600s, right? But as I came to find out as I started going through her 60 proclamations, I think it's called it basically became a manifesto for creating what I escaped.

But more to the point, what became the new apostolic reformation, if you read, study and examine those 60 proclamations, it lays out the whole roadmap for what we're talking about. This is true and actually I got corrected on calling that her writings. It was not actually written by her, but Dr. Bridget in Jacobs, who's done, she's a scholar.

She's actually an ex-nar person, her and her husband were in our church for some time. She let me know accurately that the 60 propositions, as to what they call it, was put together by several followers of Jane Leade.

So yes, it is her ideas, but she didn't pin them, per se. And so there's something else that I wanted to make sure to address this time is that last time we spoke, you mentioned listeners, one of your listeners had a question.

And so here's the answer, it was about the legacy of Jane Leade. So this is from Dr. Philip Lockley, and in his Jane Leade's prophetic afterlife in the 19th century English Atlantic, he says that Leade, quote, enjoyed a prophetic afterlife, not only through the shakers, the French prophets, Mary's house of David, British israelism, New Age feminist, but also in the teachings of quote Mormons and the followers of Joanna Southcott.

So he's not addressing all of the places that her ideas went to, but that was pretty much what one of your listeners was asking about. So to continue on that, I received confirmation of the centrality of Jane Leade in the later reign movement, some of the prophets in that movement in 1948, really plagiarized and or borrowed some of her ideas.

And so as I mentioned, the ex-narr, Dr. Bridget in Jacob, she wrote a prophecy out of the past, contrasting past treatments of Jane Leade's among two North American 20th century millennia in movements, and one of them is Mary's city of David and the other is the later reign.

And this is found in a very good book. I don't think I've ever recommended it to John, but it's a collection of essays from different scholars on Jane Leade. And Dr. Jacobs being an ex-narrer, her perspective, I think was most useful to me.

But hers is in chapter 12, it's called Christian entities in the transatlantic world, 1,500 to 1,800, Jane Leade and her transnational legacy. And this is edited by Ariel Hesseon in 2016. Another great source of information is a pastor that I became acquainted with through his writings and then later contact him.

One of his name is his pastor, Bob Dewey, DE, then capital W-A-Y. He's an ex-nar person also. And his roots and fruits of the new apostolic reformation can be found at critical issues commentary.

That's December of 2007. Another person who was a source of a lot of information for Dr. Jacobs is an independent researcher. A lot of people call him Bill Mack, because it's last name is spelled in it.

He must be German, I would say, or Germanic. It's Bill Mackenstadt. And according to his research, he talked, he read everything that was written by George Houghton and did interviews with some of the leaders that the latter ain't been but.

According to his research, he found that George Warnock, Bill Brunn, Rick Joyner, that's an interesting person in the list because he's an aura prophet. And Clayton Sommor, all plagiarized born, like Jacob Boyne, and leads writings in order to so-called proof decks there manifest sons of God and lettering doctrines.

Bill also found, through talking to Royal Cronquist, Widow and Cronquist was one of those prophets from the lettering. His widow said that Royal knew that the new order of the lettering was based on the doctrines and teachings of Jane Leed.

And Mrs. Cronquist also said that Royal knew George Warnock quite well and that Warnock also believed that Leeds prophetic declarations were generally genuinely from God. And also in his research, he found the lettering prophet Franklin Hall plagiarized Jane Leed's prophecies.

So you have quite a bit of crosstalk there coming down through their centuries because Jane Leed was a 17th century mystic and prophetess who gathered so much steams kind of like a rock gathering moss down the hill or she gathered so many ideas from the esoteric world that went all the way back to the mystic Valentinus and then progressed through neoplate tonic writings and also Kabbalah and the writings of Jacob Bourne.

All of those are very prominent ideologies and folks also paracelsus. And so other than these people and many other scholarly writings that I've read about Jane Leed, how it came to the community. Ecclesians that came to her about her doctrines was through primary sources, unless these quickly her 60 propositions was one of her earlier writings that was in 1679, the visual things I read and analyzed. The inyocchian walks with God at 1694, the Ascent to the Mount of Vision 1694, the wonders of God's creation manifested in a variety of eight worlds, 1695, the eight worlds and

manifestation concerning the eight worlds, or regions allotted to human souls that might perk up a few questions. That's also 1695, a message to the Philadelphia Society, which is the group she was head of, that's 1696, alarmed to the Lamb's Holy Warriors that 1700, and the heavenly watchers, and yes, it does come out sunny quite a bit like the secrets of the book of Enoch where there's the heavenly watchers that was what she wrote in 1700, and John, I know you would know that Wesley Swift, who promoted the, really got a lot of the Christian identity ideas started.

He also talked about the heavenly watches, and kind of had a mix between heavenly watches, slash space brothers, you know, aliens, slash the sons of God, which he felt were pre-existent sort of like a big realm of an Afro-morsis, Afro-morsis, conglomerate of divinity, which was composed of the great cloud of witnesses and the heavenly watches, and then also the revelation of revelations of 1701. What I've found by reading some of the writings of the scholars that Dr. Jacobs associated with is that each of them, scholars had an angle, which everybody does, and quite a few of them were feminist, so they were looking at Jane Lee, just her contributions

to feminist literature, but Dr. Jacobs, I felt was especially useful and helpful to me, I talked her multiple times on the phone, because once she was ex-Narr, she was a scholar, in putting those two things together, her research was really incredible into finding out how the laterang got started. So, I think that the precedents that were set for what I call a hands-on escapology, began with Jane Leade. And so, as I mentioned earlier, she's a 17th century mystic and prophetess, and she set these hands on precedence for eschatology of three major things. One, moral perfection,

which, you know, slash divinity, some people would say, that it meant if the sons of God folks definitely preached that. And in an altered form, you'd get up from the kingdom, message folks in the 80s and the current day norr. Two, she set precedence for political dominion, and actually some of the earlier laterane folks in the manifest sons of God teachers, pretty much they liked it. They liked the word, theocracy, so they all said about. And interestingly, but I always give a big disclaimer, is they liked to toss around the word, the phrase, new age. So does that mean their new age teachers? Well, it's hard, there's some parallels,

there's some strong parallels, but you know, just for whatever reason they happen to pick up that phrase and use it quite a bit. Also, one of the more intriguing and more dangerous ideas, considering if these ideas were widespread and put in implementation, and even the slightest way, is James leads precedence that were set for a literal physical purge, removing those who are deemed the ungodly and also resisting Christians. So you can see that happening through, excuse me, through all of these prophets of the laterane, all three of those things.

And the way they put this into more layman's terms where it's a principle is that they say that all things in and through the corporate body of Christ will be accomplished before the individual literal Christ is allowed to return. So they put themselves in the driver's seat of the end times, if you put it that way. So I look at Jay lead that she functions as a receiver and a transmitter.

She received ideas from the esoteric world in which she was deeply immersed. Then she transmitted it into the Christian world through the influence of these key prophets of the laterane movement of 1948, other than William Brandon and Franklin Hall, who are very prominent.

Her writings are actually referenced and her name is mentioned in the writings of the Apostle George Houghton, the prophet, Bill Brittney, the prophet, royal conquest, and the prophet, so I'm using so-called Jay Preston, EB.

much there to break down. And I think people, unless you really understand the history, the NAR itself is going to be confusing and all of the pathways leading to it are going to be confusing.

You really have to break it apart and break it down. And when you see off to the side in this ancient 16th, late 1600s history, this crazy woman that you think in your mind, nobody in the right mind would follow this person and will leave this person.

And then you look at today's world, the NAR, and they can very easily just separate themselves and say, no, we're not like that. And people will miss all of the connections. But for me, as you know, I like to dig.

As I was going through, like I said, there are multiple paths that led to Jane Leade. And one of the most obvious paths is through you mentioned the House of David. William Brannum claimed to have healed a person named John Ryan.

And according to the Fable, Ryan began visiting what was the Billy Brannum Pentecostal Tabernacle before it was Brannum Tabernacle. And apparently, this John Ryan, William Brannum healed his eyes in front of a rabbi in the sack of the House of David in Bitten Harbor.

And Ryan is apparently the one that introduced Brannum to William Souders who had a school of the prophets in Shepherd'sville, Kentucky. So for me, this began all kinds of paths of research, right? But through John Ryan, I could connect Brannum to influence whether big or small through the House of David cult.

And then that goes through, they had the writings of Southcott and Southcott was influenced by Jane Leade, as you mentioned. So as I began to explore all of this, even back then, I did not fully understand it until I came across the 60 Proclamations.

And once you understand what all of this was and it goes right back to your book, you talk about how it developed from Nosticism, my fascination was to take these trails all the way back past Nosticism into the ancient cults of old.

And specifically into the mystery cults. And if you look at her 60 Proclamations, number two, this is a hidden mystery, not to be understood without the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the way in which these mystery cults operated is they held a secret that nobody else could know.

You had to be part of the special elite group. And in doing so, you create a destructive cult, but you also create this unit of people that think they have something over the rest of...

the world of believers of whatever is the faith, in this case pretending to be Christian, right? So it was a mystery call. At the time, I did not really understand the depth of that, but having grown up in a mystery call, we were a group of people who claimed that we held the secret from our alleged prophet. He had the mystery that no other Christian have, unless you're part of this group, you can't have it. It's the very definition of a mystery call, right? Well, part of that mystery included, as you mentioned also, Jane Leade writes in, I think,

it's number 11, 12 and 13 about how the church would become apostate, which is another attribute of how these mystery cults worked. You're the small group, you have the elite divine information that nobody else have, because they've grown apostate and we're better than them. So in the nature of a destructive cult, you are becoming separationist, isolationist. You're basically severing the body of Christ, right? And it lays the foundation for, as I began to develop my understanding of how the lettering was formed and their initial message, their initial message had two parts. You mentioned Wesley Swift, which is obviously Christian identity, but also Swift was a strong

proponent of British Israelism. Well, if you follow the traces of British Israelism back and understand her 60 proclamations or her 60 propositions, I can't keep calling it incorrectly. Well, it also lays the framework for British Israelism to develop. And she's, you know, she's from England. So this is laying the foundation for what would emerge in various other forms. The influence is so widespread. But the initial message of the, of the lettering movement as it was formed from its inception is that it was a, it was a British Israel message. It was a mystery cult. The rest of the church is apostate. We're the group that's going to make it. We've just

came through the world wars. God is about to wipe the wipe the rest of the Christians off the earth because we, we alone have the special knowledge where the mystery cult. It is, it is full and complete the framework to create the new mystery cult, which was at that point in time the lettering movement. But now it develops into an even weirder mystery cult, the NAR.

So many, many new podcasts can be started on everything you just said. That's very good. One thing that struck me was you talked about the mystery religions. Okay. This podcast and the previous one I'm focusing more on the Christian part of apostasy, which I, which I, put a big strong emphasis on Jane Lee. But the second portion of the book I wrote is on what is more usually referred to as Western esotericism, which I believe is running parallel and even converging to a large extent with the so-called Christian version of apostasy. So if we talk about

the esoteric branch, then it's interesting to see that Valentini is who's so so prominent and so instrumental in promoting ideas that you would find in the esoteric world. He gathered his ideas primarily from Plato and the mystery religions, Mr. Religion's or mystery cults that were present the pagan ancient world. And then he sort of sifted those ideas through some of the more difficult to understand passages of Paul. And he read them as symbolic as he possibly could and came up with his version. And actually the things I've read about him, he was supposedly a very area diapfelah and a great speaker and became pretty much the most prominent of all the

thenostics. And so to fit in with that, just as a tiny side step to what I've got here to discuss is that Helena Lovatsky, who is one of the royalty of the esoteric world, actually says this is a paraphrase. The religion of the future will be the religion of the past and her and one of her disciples, Alice Bailey, believed that in the so-called New Age there would be a revitalized or restored version of the mystery religions. However, since pretty much the mystery religions remain a mystery as far as their particulars, what it ends up becoming is not really restored,

but just reshaped with that title and all of their ideas interjected. And that's a point I make about Valentinus in the kind of study of him, scholarly studies where they take the few extant pieces of his literature or the things they get from Irenaeus, Irenaeus, either way.

There's really not too much you can surmise from them other than the esoteric world will draw certain particulars out of it. And so, like I said, another entirely series of podcasts, but here's something I can, to get back where Jane Leed, this is how pretty much all began.

And people that have been familiar with the NAR or the latter rainbow, here's some kind of interesting things in here. So on April of 1670, Leed claimed that she was visited by the great goddess, the spouse of God, the wonder of wonders, and the queen of all worlds who will appear once again, aka Sophia.

So Sophia was not just the, as in the Greek, I believe it's the Greek, that it's not just the word, meaning wisdom, she had this personified version of wisdom who she'd call sometimes the great virgin Sophia or any of those other titles that I get to it.

So Sophia tells Leed, you know, this is interesting here, if you think about the NAR, so Sophia tells Leed to instruct, quote, the prophets and apostles to perfect the elite. That really, really comes out of the fivefold ministry can be aligned with that quite easily.

And to do this, Sophia calls for, again, you can hear this in any of the fivefold ministry places. She calls for the restoration of the gifts that were lost to the church. Well, what gifts are we talking about?

Well, then she talks about us being able to see into the unseen world, to see members of the great pile of witnesses, to see Jesus, to see saints have gone by on days. But she also includes a couple of things that would sign from there, to anybody who knows about the latter rank.

They include the gift of prophecy and the lane on a pans. And so Sophia then commands Leed to write the revelations that are revealed to her. So one of the revelations, I'm focusing on pretty much the ones that deal with eschatology.

Leed also told, which we can get into that later, John, if you wish, Leed also told, Sophia told Leed to equate that it was expedient

that the saints here on earth become acquainted with their pre-existency. If you get real into that, you find out that Plato and pretty much all of the manifest sons of God, teachers like George Houghton, when they start talking about pre-existency, they're actually talking about the state of divinity, they were then incarnate on earth and they are now working back towards the position of divinity, that totally, totally aligned.

his self with esoteric thought on the same thing, the path back to the vanity. So, and lead also said that God was obviously from what I mentioned it before. God was female and male.

You can get that in Valentinischer, you can get that like brimming over in Kabbalah, which is so prominently referenced by all the people in esoteric world. And lead also said something interesting, which you can also get from Valentinischer, you can also get it from Kabbalah, is that God was evil and good, light and darkness all wrapped together in one unity.

You can get that from Alistair Crowley. I mean, it's like straight up esoteric world. So, but here's one of the more common ones that she has. She says that Christ is held in the heavens well, let's see what the Norah prophet Bill Hammond has to say about that.

He says the minion will be taken through the corporate Christ and the corporate body of Christ before he comes back in his personal body. Okay, it's implications about that. Royal Park was an associate of Bill Hammond.

Royal Park was in 1980s, was really part of which you, some people were called the dominion ministries. And so, Royal Park says this, the elite will become so glorified that they can bring Christ back to earth.

Again, this is a very common statement. So how does that compare to lead? Lead said that qualified souls will be able to hasten his coming and will be actively bringing heaven down upon the earth before his own distinct appearance.

In this way, they will, as she says, personate Christ. People who'd never experienced being in the latter reign, the NAR, the message cult and its plentiful groups, all of this, they really would never even think that this could be possible.

In a Christian world, somebody believing something that honestly, it sounds like something a movie's made after, right? Absolutely. Sorry. This was key critical foundational doctrine to many of these things. If you go back even to in Pentecostalism, you've got Charles Fox Parham, the founder of Pentecostalism, who was teaching British Israelism, which had elements of Jane lead all throughout it.

William Brannum was the leader of the later reign, voice of healing revivals during the, was the late 1940s, early 50s. And let me read your quote. He says, but as soon as it's born into this world and breathes its first breath, it becomes a living soul.

But as soon as the earthly body is born in the world, there's a solution. astral body or a spiritual body to take hold of it. So in this doctrine, they're teaching that I think, you know, the ancient aliens or whatever, but they're literally talking about a spiritual body that exists somewhere else that is empty, it is soulless, and your body here is bringing it to the earth.

And towards the end of the quote, he says, and as soon as the natural body is dissolved, there's a spiritual body waiting over yonder, a theophany, we call it. Well, this was this weird thing, you know, Jane Leade laid the framework for that and so many other things that I grew up with and thought was our mystery doctrine for our mystery cult, but one of the most significant and to re-emphasize the point that you made in the latter reign, you had the fivefold ministry, but you had this weird hierarchy where at the top, the prophet was the king, right?

If you could rise up to be a prophet, you were a king of your domain. In her 60 propositions, she lays the framework for prophet priests. If you look at number 21, 43, and 44, and I'll just skim through some statements in there, the person must be anointed with a priestly, prophetical and royal dignity.

And there must be somebody living in the present order who can be fully and totally redeemed having put another body on them after the priestly order, so the bringing this spiritual body back onto them, and the priestly anointed body will render them impregnable and qualify them for a high degree of spiritual government for which they're called.

And she goes on and she talks about the order of Melchizedek that basically this becomes a prophet priest. And as soon as I saw this in this list, I heard sermon after sermon after sermon after sermon where the Melchizedek order was preached with the implication that our prophet William Brannum was after the Melchizedek order, right?

That was a framework that was laid by Jane Leade, and when you combine all of that framework with this notion of manifested sons of God where you're bringing, like you said, bringing the heaven down on earth, this is such a weird thing that I can't even imagine somebody who claims to be Christian believing it.

We did because we were manipulated to believe elements of what Jane Leade said, not realizing that it is the psalm of what Jane Leade said. Yeah, John, that's right on the mark, and as you're saying that, the part that William Branding was talking about almost another being up there to promote my book.

You get an earful of that kind of stuff, not only from the manifest sons of God teachers in Jane Leed, but also going all the way back to, I don't need to list them again, but the prominent people and movements of the esoteric world prior to Jane Leed going all the way back to Valentineius and the second century. That was a major, major component of his ideas which then passing by Jane Leed and leaping all the way up to Helena Blavaskia and Alice Bailey.

You get the same thing. What is that same thing? The same thing is that just like Valentineius said, you have a heavenly pair and he called it, I don't think I can pronounce this properly. Cigidies mean something is a component of yourself, but the component happens to be an angelic world and does not fall into matter here on earth. The goal of the initiate is to become reunited and infused literally by this angelic, you could call it your personal angel, which was what a lot of people in the New Age would call it later, or spirit guides.

So, but for Valentineius, this wasn't like a momentary idea of a prophecy to allow this being to speak through you, like St. Chandler's would do. He was looking at it more like the ultimate goal of perfection for the elite and he classified humans very much like manifest sons of God, teachers and George Warnock in particular, three. There's the bottom group that are in Valentineius' words will be destroyed at the Ascoton, the end of time and most of our prophets of today talk about we're in the end times right now. There's the middle group that will be, they'll have a chance. They might be removed physically on them given a second chance

when they became incarnate later, but they're kind of like middle of the road Christians. Then there's the elite who will be fully imbued with synonymous terms, delight their personal angel or the bridegroom, which I mentioned a little bit about that in our last podcast. So, yeah, that idea, and in the manifest sons of God, teachers, Bill Britt and other set of mention before the idea is that...

These different metaphors, they say it's your house in heaven, and when you really get done to the nitty-gritty, oh, your house is actually a physical being. Bill Brutton says this in a very tricky sort of way.

He says, he says, who is heaven? He doesn't say where, meaning like a location in a state of being, which should be more naturally understood by Christians. He says, who is heaven? And he personifies heaven as those who have gone before and now are in the cloud of witnesses.

So when heaven comes done to earth, and you get his teachings about the two armies of God, the heavenly army of God, which is, like what he said, it comes into union with the earthly army of God.

And so this sort of thing happens constantly, and this happens to be the next thing I was going to bring up. So according to one of my themes in my book, I say angels with a question mark.

And so I say, the second century Nostec Valentino said, you must draw a spirit, which is a light or an angel down from heaven, at which time the spirit meagles with spirit, and the angel will then be joined with you.

There's actually several scholars who, like you said, so bizarre, I was reading, I was kind of slapping myself, I said, this is scholars, it's a, it's not almost like a conspiracy theory, it's like a wild kind of sci-fi kind of thing.

But scholars I've seen more than once say that from Valentino's perspective, it is a spirit possession, and so I've heard that term fairly often. Actually, Alistair Crowley said that he called it controlled possession, where he calls the spirit, and then it speaks to you and does whatever.

In the esoteric world prior to Jane Leade, and then the contemporaneous folks that taught her day, they had this idea, they called it the spiritual alchemy, in which you're not trying to transform lead into gold, you're trying to transform the spirit into God, union with God.

And so that idea was very present. And so let me quote you something here from Royal Crownquiz, so he's fairly Jane Leade inspired, he says, the coming perfect ones in the cloud of witnesses will guide you into all truth, sounds sort of like a biblical verse.

The nor prophetess Cindy Jacob says, what do you think about God? I mean, a guardian angel assigned to you. That's interesting because Alistair Crowley says, you must invoke your holy guardian angel and they will, and then follow their guidance, which will never go wrong.

The prophet Bill Hammond, again, he's a Norfolk. Sorry, yeah, when I was thinking about this and writing this in my book, I'd say, well, how many versions he could say he's narcoleptic. No, you could say he's a narco-dependent.

I don't know, just a little bit, but I'll try not to insult him too much. The elite, according to him, on mass called the host of war angels to come and appoint themselves companions.

Sounds like Valentinus and Bilbrun and all these other folks. The elite must accept them. That is speaking of coming from a Christian. That's a pretty bizarre statement. So what does Leeds say? She says very summarily to these folks, which makes sense.

The saints here on earth will become companions to them of high degree in heaven. They're heavenly watchers who will secretly assist and support their elite here on earth. You know, it's funny. The last podcast we did, one of the comments that I got was, I can't believe that all of a sudden, I'm listening to a podcast on today's religion and the name Alistair Crowley came up.

But interestingly, as the more I went through my research, I kept finding all these trails also back to Alistair Crowley. And one of the more recent ones, Alistair Crowley was a member of the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn, which you're probably familiar with.

And their symbol was the pyramid with a cross on top and there's a sun in the middle of the pyramid. Well, in William Brannum's message Colton, it's a very splinter groups, the pyramidology came from British israelism and there's pyramids and all of the symbols and the icons that they use.

But there are actually pulpits that are created in the churches where there's a pyramid and then right behind it is the, you know, when you look at it, you're looking at the pyramid pointed at the cross, which is the same exact symbol as the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn.

But you have to remember during this era, you mentioned your shock, I had the same shock. When you're reading somebody who sounds to be intelligent and they're making statements that you know or absurd in today's world that would never fly.

There will be all these fact checkers and all of these things that would just shut them down. But remember, there was a majority of people back in the, you know, late 1800s, early 1900s, where they believed some really, really weird stuff and it was so prevalent.

That you would find intelligent men writing articles. They're teaching it in, you know, in colleges and universities They're teaching British Israelism even though it's not even a proven science. It was it was just some weird stuff But all of these different themes and where it got really really messed up it's whenever it started to develop into a militant position and And through C.A.L. Toughton who was one of the one of the Most influential British Israel guys in the United States He was he had a military background and he was combining Mill his knowledge of the military with British israelism as British israelism was transitioning into Christian identity

Which is the war between the races, right? All of this is laid out in Jane Leeds manifesto Obviously written by pinned by somebody else, but in her proclamations Propositions 34 and 35 She mentions that the Prophetical generation with the most high must raise up and delivers people by mere force of spiritual arms And when you think about the NAR today and you think about their militant form of Christianity and then look at the trails of history of militant forms of Christianity that led to it such as Joel's army for example You can see all of this Jane the lead one of the things that she said in the proclamations she said that

There must be raised up a certain head powers to bear the first offices who are persons of great eminence and favor Whose dread and fear should fall upon all nations? She's talking about a military Defiance of the rest of the world Well, when you took all of her weird esoteric nonsense Mixed with the fact that the world had just came through world wars You know at the time latirane is raising up. They're looking for just like Jesus day They're looking for a military force to come in and just wipe everything out a spiritual military force and they thought they were creating it and

The point I want the point I'm driving at is you mentioned talking about the you know the planetary origins for all of these these spiritual beings to come down and how You mentioned the name Wesley Swift when you combine that knowledge with Jane lead's framework Merge it together with Christian Christian identity What where it developed was this framework where there is going to be a war between the races?

because you've got you know Wesley Swift's theology was that the Evil seed was planted in Cain and then emerged in into the world through people with black skin. Well, then you had these celestial beings, the good guys, basically.

They were being manifested down in the manifested sons of God. And these two forces would be at war with each other. The good guys, in Swift's mind, the people with the white skin would completely eradicate the rest and set up a dominion on earth.

Now, Swift off to the side, obviously Christian, white Christian nationalist and not many people would favor him. But look what's happening in the NAR. They're using the same framework. They've just basically taken the race factor out of it.

So they've taken Jane Leeds militant form of religion, taken Wesley Swift's race out of it and said, our hands are clean. We have no Wesley Swift. Instead, we have this new thing, which, oh, by the way, you can trace all the way back to Jane Leed.

Yeah, John. That's something, Toddly, I was just about to say, yeah, John Leed, sorry. Yeah. What I was thinking of when you were mentioning all that is that something that I might have said before, there is the smaller group of extremists and nowadays, a lot of times I call themself.

They're called their message present truth. And a whole bunch of those guys had their roots in latering movement and also in manifest sons of God teachings, but they've developed them to where they've really become obscure little pockets here and there that you can ferret them out on the internet and find out what they have to say.

But each iteration of these re-iteration of these kinds of concepts takes it from the absolute extreme bizarre that who in the world could accept that and never gain prominence in our American society. Well, think again, because when you got the so-called Kingdom message of the 1980s, John Jimenez, who was a big representative of that movement, was mentioned by Bill Britton as a sound man of God with whom Bill Britton had fellowships.

So you get in those influences via Britton, which he got them via Jane Leed, which he got them via whatever it occurred before her in the esoteric role. So it comes down to the Kingdom message and John Jimenez.

And as I've said before, the so-what of that is that John Jimenez and Earl Polk and others in the Kingdom message brought that very obscure odd stuff into the limelight. And John actually was the one, I don't know if it was single-handedly, but in 1980, he got that first, Washington for Jesus move, was his doing.

So that would second a lot of other people who are not necessarily apart of the latering movement that probably knew nothing about Jane Lee, but they'd like the idea of, quote, taking dominion, reclaiming the nation for God, excuse me.

And then likewise, another reiteration of those same teachings, you can find through Bill Hammond and, you know, as a nor prophet, and Cindy Jacobs and others. And so they were things extremely differently, but more carefully, I would say, but again, the fact that their teachings are a part of a really widespread thing, and the mega church is so many of them.

You can see what used to be just in seed form, then manifest in a much greater movement that has the potential for a very big impact. And I point out again and again that that sort of impact, we witnessed parts of it through Dutch sheets and some of the other Cindy Jacobs, who were loosely affiliated with the March of the January 6th attack on the Capitol.

And so, yeah, that militancy, which you mentioned, is definitely still there. And it all comes down to eschatology. Is it in our hands, are we going to reclaim the kingdom or claim the kingdom for God?

Are we going to take care of the judgment day? That one is one of those deep, dark secrets, but it's lingering out there. Bill Breton definitely had those ideas, his impact on the kingdom message.

You can hear that come straight out of Earl Paulx, mouth, who was associated with Bill Hammond and Bill Breton. And Earl Paulx said that if you don't, some of your listeners probably heard this one before.

If you don't, his paraphrasing Jesus, apparently, he says that Jesus said, if you don't have hate in your heart, it is impossible to commit murder. Oh, that's a pretty odd statement. But look how he follows up that concept in one of his other books.

He says, which sounds like, okay, yeah, that's in the Bible. He says in the Bible, in the Old Testament, people were put to death by the witness principle. Then later on, like, say a paragraph or so later, he says, we see the church, and he's talking about the elite version of the church as the two witnesses.

in the end times. So two and two together, what do you get? Well, you got the church will be killing those who don't fit in. So to get to another part, which you mentioned about John, is I call it in the book, I call it deification based on the big lie, because I happen to believe that that's where it came from. You know, it's kind of like, what is the ultimate problem that mankind has got into and and how does that relate to one of the things God clearly does not appreciate, which is a Dollar Tree. Well, self-a Dollar Tree, becoming divine, deification. So let's see what the

Jain lead inspired George Haughton, the original prophet and apostle of the lettering said. He said, the sons of God become the son of God, the built Britain inspired or excuse me, the Jain lead inspired built Britain prophet said his body is Christ. And after the sons of God finish his work, they go to the bridal tent where there will be a union in him that they have never known before. Interesting wording has some of the scholars claimed that well, you know, the built Britain had a little bit of influence from the 60 propositions, but he didn't know much else of Jain lead. I entirely

disagree based on the many things I've read of hers. So I'm not a scholar, but I disagree with that assumption. Let's see, let's see what lead says. The lead will be set apart for some new manifestation of union with God that we can just barely hint at. That sounds very much like built Britain. He got that from her. The lead will constitute the appearance of Christ in his saints. You can hear that from Mary, you know, like the Kansas City prophets, people like Bob Jones, this is just very, very common. The appearance of Christ in his saints that totally leads

into the idea of hands-on eschatology because we're not talking about Jesus returning and doing the things that God would do. No, it's all going to be carried out by his quote corporate body. Then here we have this other thing that I've mentioned. Lead says Christ above and Christ beneath will join together. That is a major component in the esoteric world of the Gnostic idea where the divine, heavenly world has been separated from the fleshly world here on earth. The consummation of the ages will be that they come into union. You actually have deified flesh, what they

call, yeah, consummation is one of the terms you- Here often. Now here's another thing, this, like what we talked about earlier, John, about loaded language. This comes straight from the lead, but it shows up right in the manifestons of God, folks, who then pass it on in various versions to the kingdom, message into the ark.

Leite says that the elite overcomers, that's not your average Joe Christian, they will be brought into manifestation like the great Melchizedek. So here's a symbol of immortality, of divinity, and lead is same, that the overcomers, those who are the real, the real Christians, they're going to be like him.

Then Sophia will send forth groans in Christ to unlock her long shut up womb. Why? So the elite are empowered to go forth to do greater works than the day of a pentacost. She says that at the Feast of Tabernacles, just in perfect spirits, will rise to deify it.

She's talking about the body of Christ. Then she says, again, look for these loaded language terms. She says, what is the man's child? It is Christ in us, which will be the consummation of the divine mystery.

You would not be willing to wait into this resurrection marriage, maybe consummated. So John, yeah, you're hearing those terms like overcomer Melchizedek. The Grounds in Christ, if somebody knows their Bible a little bit, that's coming from the manifestation of the sons of God, which is, in scripture, sounds like almost a deification, or really when Christian terms, regular Christian terms, would be the glorification, the resurrection of the body, which is mentioned in Apostles Creek.

So lead says, though, that this is before Christ returns. So she says, the Grounds in Christ, in scripture, I think it says, all of creation, Grounds in Christ, something that effect, waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Moving in, of course, society of doing greater works. Her mention of the Feast of Tabernacles, the George Warner can build written, gene this up. Don't think so. I think they got it from her, because her interpretation of it is the Feast of Tabernacles being the moment of divinity at the consummation of the divine mystery.

Yeah, it's a lot of overlapping metaphors, a lot of collapsing contexts were one idea merges with another, but it's there in St. Leed. Yeah, I'm sure our listeners will see so many similarities between the NAR, whatever is the aspect that they're researching, and what we're talking about with Jane Leed.

because it's like a virus that spread around the globe. It's like an infection that carried from century to century through various different forms. That's why, in my opinion, whenever somebody, they'll ask me, was William Brannem or the lettering movement affiliated with Freemasonry?

Well, it's because you see Jane Leeds influence into what developed into the later versions of Freemasonry and what developed into the laterane movement. She's this common thread that makes them all look very, so very similar.

And you mentioned, it goes all the way up to, you can even find trace elements of what happened at January 6th in this thing. You find these people that really are, they see themselves as doing a religious war against the government to put a person into power, politics aside, what that framework that existed to create that scenario was wrong, all politics aside.

I began to notice that as I was writing weaponized religion from laterane to colonial Dignidad, there was a strong element of politics mixed with religion. And I never really understood it until I went back and revisited Jane Leeds writings, because hers as well had a very strong political message behind it.

And as that developed into British's realism and into Christian identity, all of this turned into this very militant form of, you can't even really call it Christianity. It is the esoteric world. And when you read Jane Leeds writings and you're thinking, I've watched horror movies where this group of people called down Sophia and this demon came down and gave them divine knowledge.

And they created this mystery cult and they committed suicide or whatever is the bad thing that happened in the movie. That's really what was going on with her, but it's weird because it developed into a form of quote unquote Christianity.

And the spirit guide you mentioned earlier in the show, I have to pause because we believed in the laterane version of the message that this was a thing. You can go back and you can read any of these laterane literature.

There's hundreds of ministers that were in this thing, right? You have the mystery religion and they're being taught loaded language, which is common among all cults, isolating themselves from the other Christians using the loaded language to contain the mystery.

And then setting up the scenario where the whole rest of the Christian world is apostate, it's being consumed by Satan. And therefore we must... with force and we must take it back over. It's all leading up to this very militant, very, very wrong thing that doesn't even match Christianity whatsoever. All of these different movements that claimed this, they're using Jane Leeds framework without even knowing who she is because as this spread around the globe, her influence influenced in a very, very bad way.

What's really a little bit tricky with Jane Leeds, depending on who you talk to and who you ask advice about what did she say. She actually comes across as totally embracing everything. She has this doctrine of universal salvation. Everyone will make it. But it's sort of like she says that out of one side of her mouth and the other side, you get these precedents for perfectibility, taking dominion, and even what I call a sacred purge. So let's see like what is some of her, the people that were influenced by her, what did they say about this idea that

they would had the responsibility to actually take dominion politically and carry out a sacred purge by removing folks. And I can tell folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you get the book, you get tons of this stuff and it'll be absolutely impossible to ignore that it's there.

And also I could say on that is that just like Nazi Germany, pre-Muscellany, Italy, all of the dictatorships you can think of had ideas present either religiously or religious politically mixed that made it possible under the right circumstances or the wrong circumstances to actually implement some of the ideas about removing people's dissidents. So here's what they believed inspired William Brannon had to say. Just like the Nar Prophet Bill Hammond, William Brannon said that we will have an anias and safara meaning we'll have the ability to determine who can die at our will. The lead inspired Franklin Hall said that when the elite take

up their authority and rulership of this planet, they will be able to choose whom they will to occupy it. Then righteous will have to be exterminated. Those taken away will be killed. The J. Lee inspired J. Preston Eby said, isn't that strange that God who has given us the command, they'll should not kill, can actually kill whom he will, but we are forbidding to kill. Why is this?

Then he poses this this thought for us. When Hitler came to power in Germany, he instituted a purging of the government. They were not just relieved of their responsibilities. They were executed. That's pretty vivid.

Then Ebis says elsewhere, the judgments of God shall be executed by the glorious, he puts us in all caps, corporate Christ, and the land shall be soaked with blood. These judgments will be done in and through the sons of God. In and through is a big, important set of little words that you'll find happens again and again with these folks.

I catch this, but you will do it in humility and with a broken heart full of compassion and love. Sounds like George Orwell a little bit. Well, let's see if that idea comes across again.

The Jane Leed inspired Bill Brunt says, the wrath of God is the love of God. In Bill Brunt's writings, you find very explicitly that the wrath of God comes through the sons of God to eliminate those who are not with it. Kelly Varner was an associate of the Jane Leed inspired Bill Brunt and the Nar Profit Bill Hammond. He told me personally in an interview on the phone that before we talk judgment, we have to come into what? Into perfect love. The Nar Profit Bill Hammond told me, and I mentioned this earlier, but I added something to it. Hammond says, I say death is death,

the only way you look at it. How do you wipe them out? It's wipe out any way you look at it, but the only ones that can be in the judgment ministry are those who come to perfect love.

It's strictly your executing God's love, God's word, God's mercy, and God's grace. And the Jane Leed inspired role Cronquest says, the elite will establish the three fearcratic order of the kingdom. Then God's vengeful ones will remove the disobedient and the ungodly from the face of the earth. They will be physically killed.

Interestingly, Cronquest promotes the Nar Profit Bill Hammond's books. Wonder if they have any connection? I don't know, but they have similar ideas. That's a certainty. I think that phrase is the key, theocratic order. It's all about creating a theocracy.

And if you studied my research or many of the other people who have looked into the dark underbelly of the Pentecostal movement, the latter reign movement, I mean, look at John Alexander Dowey, he created the theocratic party to try to take over the United States government way back in the early 1900s. This thing has gone all on and on and on, and these movements, it's so opposite from Christianity that whenever a person who has left one of these movements and they enter into a Christian church, they suddenly realized that while we were taught this as love, like you said, there's

the dark side of love in these things, while we're taught this as love, when they experience genuine love, one for another, where they actually love the people who aren't a member of their church. They love the center who they want to help become a saint. They want to help these people versus the anis and safira logic. Like you said, I was given the same proclamation of curse for my own grandfather from behind a pulpit. I've listened to, there are ministers in the movement that we escaped that they would have entire sermons that the theme. One quote was, God just sometimes likes a good killing and somebody who's never

been in it, they say, oh my gosh, what is that? But when you're in this mindset where you're being taught that you are the elite, you hold the secret, you're the mystery cult, you're loaded language, nobody else understands because they're not of us. They don't understand it because they're not of us. You have created a means to create destruction and it's unfortunately like a train that's off the tracks. You don't know where it's headed. It might be benign.

It might just stay as it is forever, but it also might go completely disastrous. Your book calls this out. I hope our listeners have enjoyed the podcast and get Steve's book. If you haven't already, it's the converging apostasy, a collection of thematic critiques.

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