Converging Apostasy: From Jane Lead to Christian Identity

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at William-Branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, Steve Montgomery, the author of converging apostasy, a collection of thematic critiques, and together we're examining the themes of apostasy in the New Apostolic Reformation and their history. Steve, it's been a while since we've gotten to do this, and I'll warn the audience right now, I've got a little bit of a head cold, so my voice isn't where it usually is, but we've wanted to do

this for a while, and I know that you had some things happening in your family that we had to put this on hold for a bit, but I'm very glad we're getting back into it because we have so many people that heard the last episode that have reached out, they're excited to hear more. In fact, I just got a comment today, a lady was asking, when are we going to do more of these? So it's good to have you back. That's great feedback, John, I appreciate that, and yeah, you're right, there's plenty much coming down the pike as far as this kind of information goes. I wanted to let you,

your listeners know that just because of the way they do things at amazon.com with the book publishing, I shortened the title of the book and now it's just the more simple version, converging apostasy, and that's available on a paperback in ebook and let the readers be aware of the potential readers. That one kind of operates your functions as pretty much a handbook, and it goes like, maybe you guys, your listeners have heard me for, it goes from the, the gnostic Valentinus on through the present day, issues that are happening with the NAR.

So it's around 470 pages, I'd say, it's got a lot of more information than the new book, which I have. The new book is around 60 pages, and it does something that I mentioned in the introduction, which is essentially unforgivable for scholars, and that is, it doesn't really give a lot of documentation. It's pretty, It pretty much sticks to the facts, quotations, and it runs through what I call a hands-on eschatology, meaning people feeling like they have a doctrinal foundation to essentially think that they have control over everything in the end times.

And so the title of that one is a quick outline of hands on eschatology, a matter of timing and agency. And so again, that's available at amazon.com, paperback, or e-book. And so what I mean by hands-on eschatology is, again, the idea that perfection, dominion, rulership, and a literal sacred purge are all to occur before Christ comes back as an individual.

And for most of these folks, including Jane Leade, they think that for these things to occur, actually the return of the individual Christ is contingent upon all these things being carried out. So like I said, that one's available now.

And I write in the introduction, it's pretty helpful if somebody is already aware of scriptural references to the glorification of the body, resurrection, glorification of the saints. And then anything that has to do with Christ's rule, and then anything about what we would call the judgment day.

If they know those, then I really don't have to provide them. But that could be even further book about that. Some more interesting information, since the last time that you and I spoke, we had mentioned that Charles Price, who was deeply connected to Pentecostalism and the Angeles Temple, he had in his possession some of the writings of Jane Leade.

And Charles had been digging into this for something that he's working on. And he found that this is the prophecy that talks about the manifested sons of God. There's a statement, and I'm reading it here.

It says, there must be a manifestation of the spirit whereby to edify and raise up the church, bringing heaven down upon earth and representing here, the New Jerusalem state, which, if you think about where this went from there, that is significant.

But even more significant is the timeline. We have William Brannum's ministry, his later versions of his stage persona, claimed to have started in 1947, which would be approximately when the Laterane was birth. However, we have identified documents that pre-exist this, that place his...

history start way back as early as according to his own writing, as early as 1936. However, we've actually pushed it back even further. It appears he was working with leaders of white supremacy as early as I think it was 1928 or 1929. We have him connected to Caleb Ridley, who is the imperial chaplain of the Ku Klux Klan. But that timeline is significant because in 1936, Charles Price, who had this writing of Jane Leed in her possession, he starts announcing that there's going to be a coming revival, and he's basing it off of this prophecy if you read

everything that he's saying and teaching about this. In fact, in the Pentecostally Vangel, Charles found it's the July 1939 issue. He even started a column in the Pentecostally Vangel called the coming revival. All of this is based off of Jane Leed's prophecy. He's claiming that there will be a manifestation of the sons of God. This led to what exploded into the Laterane movement, but even further than that, as the manifested sons of God became a foundational teaching among the movement, it can be traced all the way back to Charles Price, who then we can also

trace it all the way back to Jane Leed. Yeah, that's really good work, John. It seems like where did I hear this? Could have been from Dr. Jacob's. She's a real source of information about the Laterane, the sons of God. She's a scholar. She's read about it extensively, and it's interesting part about her is that she's ex-Nar, so she comes from that angle.

She also talked about the Charles Price connection. There's one of the people that I refer to as the big four of the Laterane. Their prophecy definitely were influenced by Jane Leed, and said they were, which is not always the case. Sometimes it's secondary influence, where the people probably don't even know the information comes from. It's just they hear all the prophets talk about it, and so let's get on the bandwagon and go with this move of God.

But the idea of Charles Price is meant by one of these big four prophets of the Laterane, as being found in the personal effects of Charles Price. At that point, the sources that are so-called prophets don't really go further, of course. They don't say anything that you just...

said John, because as you know, it's it's a very common for folks like this to say they got this revelation from God, which means quite often they stole it from somebody else and thought it sounded great. And they would take their run with this information, these so prophecies and revelations. But there's something that I know your ears will really perk up to this time because you have such a wealth of information about Christian identity.

This segment, which we're doing, I'm thinking a good title for would be converging apostasy from Jane Lee to Christian identity part one. And so how how do I get into this is just a basic quick reviews is a Jane Lee introduced three potentially dangerous non-Christian themes to the church. And as I mentioned earlier, that is a moral perfection of some sort, the right to dominion and the responsibility to carry out a physical literal purge of the ungodly. All of this is very clearly stated, not necessarily all of that in the 60 propositions, but in our other writings, yes, it's quite evident that it's there. And you can see how

it's reflected in the people that who play drive to works, even down to turning all of these like the Melchizedek priesthood, the Feast Tyberacles, all of these sorts of things you hear quite clearly through Jane Lee, and it's very obviously were picked up in the latter ring.

Okay, so leading on to how does Jane Lee have anything to do with Christian identity? Well, she said this, it's a bit vague, but kind of tilting in the same direction as the British, Israelism and Christian identity were later to develop. She says, quote, this nation, meaning England, will be the source of light and knowledge to further increase and multiply for the opening of the fountains of such blessings with which the whole earth should be covered.

There will descend flying angels who proclaim to this island and to all nations and tribes of the earth the glory and dominion of his Christed ones. Okay, so it's definitely connecting the blessings there to follow in the whole earth and the kingdom of the manifest states, the manifest sons of God will bring in the kingdom, but it's connecting it to England and all that that implies at least in her mind, racially speaking. So this was something that's very interesting is that the the information of what was called the Christian Identity Church, a four-runner of what's developed

nowadays in the last 50 years or so. That was founded in 1883 by John Rowe, and lo and behold, he has in his writings. People that he figures are pretty much prophets and have gone before his revelations. One of them being Richard Brothers, who I'm sure you know about John, and then another person he claims to have been a great influence, is Jane Leade. And specifically, he refers to Leade's 60 propositions as being an influence on the Christian Identity Church.

It's fascinating how all of this seems to come together, because I have been specifically interested to learn how the British Israel doctrine transitioned into the Christian identity when it happened, all of the key players that were involved. And I mean, people like Ford was involved with this through the Dearborn Independent, right? I spoke, although it was correct, it was slightly off the mark. I had talked about how Gordon Lindsay, who was William Brannum's campaign manager, he's the one started the voice, well, he and Brannum started the voice of healing together, but he ended up taking it going on to Christ for the nations. A lot of people

really shocked to learn that he was in British Israelism and spoke at conferences, but it's deeper than that. There's another concept which plays off of what you just said. British Israelism itself was not a racist theology. Although it was an incorrect theology, they didn't take it to a racist position until much later after the movement had developed. I assumed mistakenly that that happened solely in the United States, but it appears there were two components to it.

When it came into the United States and C.A.L. Totten was spreading British Israelism, remember the clan was, the first iteration of the clan had been, and then later in the, I think it was 1915, they were re-bursed, and there was a large white supremacy movement, which influenced British Israelism, and that component went into Christian identity.

But there is another one from England called Anglo-Saxonism. I'm still studying this because I want to fully understand and speak intelligently, so I'll limit it to what I know. But what I do know and what I can see is that when British Israelism merged with Anglo-Saxonism, it brought the racial component in, and the Anglo-Saxons were maybe not the suppression.

race, but they were a race that were the chosen ones, the elite, the, you know, in the latering message cults, they would call it the elect, the elect seed, I think is the phrase I use. So you have this elect seed doctrine coming in from England. Then on the American side, you had the white supremacy maxing with Christian identity. Well, the conferences that Gordon Lindsay attended were specifically the Anglo-Saxon Federation conferences. And as you probably already know, that was the conferences that Wesley Swift, who is one of the fathers of Christian identity, was influenced by and worked closely with. So at the point in time,

in which Gordon Lindsay, who was a key figure in Laterane, at the point of time in which he is working with British Israelism, he is already working with the Christian identity side of British Israelism, which explains all of the, the weirdness we find like the UFO doctrines, many of the things that we've mentioned up to this point. Well, the reason for that is the component that I was missing, the missing link that bind it all together, was this, this Anglo-Saxonism doctrine. So the combination of this was, as far as theology, it was a deadly concoction of theology.

No kidding, John. Deadly is the right term there. So yeah, bringing it closer to the the Laterane. So we're moving from Gendley, that's 17th century, then John wrote, of course, in the late 1800s. And that connection with Richard Brothers. Now, if we, if I would go ahead and join you back at the Laterane 1948, interesting person that I, I can't remember really where I ran into him, but his name was Elden Purvis. And so Elden Purvis, I talked to him on the phone a few times, and he was so vague, I would try to, try to guess milk him out of some information about

the end times, and what he thought was the right doctrinal position. And he would tell me very, very cryptically, there's going to be a great sifting. And the Lord is about to do a quick work.

Okay, well, that's about as vague as you can get, but I couldn't, I couldn't get into spit out anything other than that. But I did get a hold of his, his newsletter that he would send out.

And it's, it's totally got the connection between Laterane, Jane Leade, influenced, manifest sons of God teachers, and straight up racist propaganda. And so, and so how does that really occur? But you know, there's historical reasons where so and so showed up with so and so and when read the works of so and so and yada yada.

But there's also a theological precedent. I'm a fact, I guess the word is exegesis, a way of dealing with scripture and revelation. And that precedent is completely set by Jane Leed to take you anywhere you want to go.

She said in numerous different ways, which I can count them at another time, that revelation is ongoing, that it's not to be rested upon, as she says, as if there's nothing else to get from scripture.

She even goes as far and in that phrase, you can hear very clearly and built written in the latter reign. And also similar comments from George Warnock is probably one of the biggest names from the latter reign, doctually speaking.

But yeah, Elden followed up on that concept coming from Jane Leed. And you can see where it can take you. It can take you way, way outside of a normal rational thought and outside of a good sound Christian teaching.

And so here's a reference to somebody who likewise sees this connection. I believe this article is still available at Christian Research Institute. And it's by Viola Larson. It's an article titled Christian Identity, a Christian religion for white races, 2017.

She makes a very, very cogent point here. She says, because many identity adherents are people with a history of looking for, quote, new truths. Obviously that you can get from ongoing revelation. She says, they often come to identity, bringing some of the fringe teachings of the, quote, manifest sons of God, an elite group of the church who say they will bring in the kingdom.

So I thought that was just spot on which she had to say about that. And it really, it really jives with any of this stuff I've found out. Okay, so another thing about Elden, Mr. Purvis.

He says, well, he was with New Wine magazine. And there he was identified with the later reign revival and the manifest sons of God teachings. I think Elden Purvis even has a little spot of infamy with the anti-deformation league, if I'm not mistaken, as being one of those kind of racist fellows you want to steer clear of.

In the early 1970s, Elden Purvis, his writings and others were made available. through new beginnings, periodical that he sent up. And so he'd have lists of different manifest sons of God and identity works available.

So here's an example, and boy, this is the, the antithesis of the cream of the cream. He had available, I saw this at his newsletter. He had available David Hogan's, the myth of the six million.

He had the sword of truth by the manifest sons of God based, Christian identity preacher Wesley Swift. He had made available Dan Gaiman's, the two seeds of Genesis 3, 15. Jack Moore's Satan's kids facts about that every Christian should know about in the international Jewish conspiracy, which is aimed at controlling you and the world.

He had also available William Grimstad's, the six million reconsidered is a quote Nazi Holocaust, unquote, a story made up by a Zionist propagandist. And he also had, this was interesting to me, he also had available books by, you know, what is made of that sons of God based and it comes from the latter ring.

But folks that refer to themselves as present truth teachers, so those are the ones that they, you know, they cut their teeth on the latter ring, teaching some manifest sons of God doctrines, but through ongoing revelation, therefore present truth, they see this as like snowballing, adding to and developing, which is right up the alley of Jane Leeds way of approaching truth and scripture.

So to get to what I was about to say, Kelly Varner, some of his books were available. And Kelly Varner goes forwards and backwards in this whole timeline. He was a buddy of Bill Britten's, a bit younger, so when Bill Britten passed away, Varner kept on going with his teachings.

And then moving forward, Kelly Varner would show up and speak at conferences with Bill Britten, excuse me, Bill Hammond, the prophet of the NAR. And he would also have had connections with Earl Paul, the so-called Dominionist Kingdomessage in the 1980s.

So he's a really interesting fellow. He's the one I called up and asked him whether sons of God had the responsibility of literally, literally taking out the ungodly. Any kind of hymn didn't hold for a little bit and said, well, brother, you know they, They will reap what they sow and nobody has to kill them. They kill themselves and then he said

And then I pressed him and I said, well does that mean anything else in your mind He's and then he started quoting some scriptures from Ezekiel Seven eight and nine which talk about things like go through the Go through the temple Have not mercy slaughter the the young the old the The children the women I say, oh, okay, I've heard that would be for it. It came straight from the mouth of Bill britain And Bill britain another one who plagued rise and was influenced by jane leek. So yeah, that kind of concept comes around who else

ran into the writings of david ebal And we'll talk a little stop with him later in this conversation But we've already talked about him a bit Yeah, so ebal Talked to him on the phone a few times He almost comes across like a spiritist But he's definitely jane leed influence and he he mentions he got a lot of his ideas from Bill britain And so he was influenced by him I spirit this in the way of Like all of these fellows when they had that direction through ongoing revelation What they do is they appropriate Um

Kind of uh, I guess you'd say Uh, a different version of what what Uh, the book of Hebrews talks about the great cloud of witnesses Uh, you might as just call that Angels that we're going to contact and channel and and uh And the valentines version of all this is that they will Uh, through union with these angels Uh, perfection and send those to this will occur ebal britain all these fellows They walk in the shadow of jane leed because she's very explicit about those sorts of things which she got from the esoteric world And so just to wrap up that little uh thought

Uh, again the anti-definition league which of course is looking out Uh, for the rights of everybody and uh, essentially uh, well especially for for Jewish folks Um, they have swift gay men more and grimstad Uh, listed as dangerous racists At who have either inspired or participated in hate crimes including murder and so uh Yeah, interesting that the elder in purpose is kind of uh leaning this way and leaning it that way meaning the sons of god Stuff influenced by jane leed on the other hand Uh, just pure unadulterated racist thought I was struggling a bit not to laugh while you're talking

For a for different reasons than you think Okay, we have two camps of slissners to this podcast On the one side, we have people who have been in churches that are based on sound Christian theology.

And they're hearing all of this that you're saying and they're thinking, this sounds like a lot of Hocus Pocus. This is mysticism, plain and simple. How could anybody who's claiming to be Christian believe this stuff, right?

Then we have the other camp. There's a large number of people who are now following the website and the YouTube and the podcast and they were raised in this thing. So when you mentioned key phrases like the present truth, many of them would actually say, no, wait a minute, brother, that's biblical because they've been raised like that, right?

And the way it's probably good if we pause and just try to establish a bit of boundaries separating these two camps of people because as we go forward in this podcast, it's going to make a lot more sense to the people who are listening from both sides so that they can understand each other better.

There's this notion called present truth and every group, every sect that I've worked with or studied, they have their own phraseology for it. In the Brannamite cults, they would call it the, what they call it, progressive revelation.

In other words, it's unclear now. It becomes more clear. And they, they're the quote, Bible verses, actual Bible verses to support that theory. And what it really is, it is mysticism, plain and simple.

If you go back and you study the foundations of this thing, but think of it. If you're in the camp who has never raised in this thing and you're wondering, what in the world is this?

Picture it like a crystal ball. And picture these guys who are doing this like Dauy. He advertised himself in the newspaper articles, John Alexander Dauy as a Christian mystic. And what he would do is he would make claims like this.

It's, it's not fully clear to us now what this really vague prophecy that I just gave you is, but as time goes on and oh, by the way, I'm revising that prophecy and polishing it up as new facts come in, I can have this broad scope of prophecy.

And as I get more information to make it more relevant, I can now narrow it down over time as, as new information comes to me. And because he set that precedent, ministers who were, again, they're taking British Israel theology, they're taking passages from the Old Testament and trying to apply it to the church of that era, which doesn't fit at all.

They would also say that it's progressive. It's very vague. It's like the crystal ball. It's really smoky. I can't see it. And what they did was they used to their advantage, the fact that...

The prophecies of the Old Testament were symbolic, and so if you read them just for their symbolism, it does sound vague. But the difference between what they have and what the Bible has, as time progresses in these types of movement with the present truth, the progressive revelation, what they're actually doing is revising what they said to make it fit.

In other words, they're scamming the people. Whereas the biblical prophecy, it was symbolic until the event happened, and when the event happened, it was so perfectly clear that, oh, that's exactly what they were talking about, because those are the symbols.

We can see it right here today, and they didn't have to go through a process of revising and having, quote unquote, present truth or progressive revelation. So if you're in one camp or the other to understand each other better, if you're in a camp who is never with this, they've been taught that you can revise a prophecy over time.

William Brannum did it. He even openly admitted he revised his 1933 prophecies that made him famous. These guys are revising prophecies to make it present truth. So if you're in that camp, that's why they do it.

If you're in the other camp, realize that Christianity is not like a crystal ball. It doesn't, it doesn't get clear as you take your rag and you wipe the crystal ball. That's mysticism, plain and simple.

Yeah, John, that's bringing a lot of thoughts to my mind. I was jotting down as you were speaking, people who really sounded like they were clearly stating the idea that, yeah, we're remistics, okay?

So one is George Houghton, who I mentioned, I talked to several times, and he wrote letters to me, and I read a lot of his works. So George Houghton, and I forgot which one it was, but he said something to, he miss spells mystic, but he says, isn't it a wonderful thing to be initiated into the, the mysteries of God, something to that effect, I said, yeah, well, you know, that's like, you know, you might as well be in, in a so-called new age movement, if you talk like that.

And the whole point of convergence, as I see it between non-Christian movements that are spouting out similar ideas, the motives of apprehend that will get you into that realm of teaching from a Christian beginning point is if you can buy into the idea of some form of, as we're talking about present truth, ongoing revelation. And there's many ways that you're speaking of people in those two camps, folks that listen to this. Well, if- You're in, say, the norm movement.

And you've already bought into the idea that they're present day prophets and apostles carrying all the weight of authority and revelatory skills that they can muster. Then you're sort of a sitting duck. They can take you wherever they want you to go.

What I've found that rather than these revelations coming from God, which I do not believe as 0% that that's happening, there's already sort of like little lines, strings of attachment, little pass that you can take, where if you bought into the idea of ongoing revelation, well, there's just one step further from the NAR ideas that you can take that lead.

There's another step. And one of the metaphors I always think of is sort of like a rotten onion. And so in the outside, when you peel them back, they're saying things like a generalized, let's make this nation better for God.

Let's take back the nation, et cetera. And then you peel back another layer and it goes to, well, the way to do that is to be in a church where you're under the authority of one of the present day apostles and prophets.

Oh, yeah, of course. You look at Ephesians, it says that these ministries are for the perfecting of the saints. And so once somebody's bought into that, then it's not far to go to some writings that are influenced or directly associated with the manifest sons of God and William Branham and Jane Leade kind of lurking in the background there.

So for example, here's another fellow, I've already mentioned him quite a bit, Bill Brinton. So I talked to, he had already passed away or was, no, I think the same year that I contacted his ministry, he was extremely busy in moving about and doing prophetic conferences and his writings.

So I ended up talking, I couldn't get a hold of him, but I got a hold of two of his underlings, associate pastors, one was Roy Ralph and the other was David Tyson. Both of them completely confirmed what was talked about his daughter, as I mentioned before, Becky Brinton.

She has verified that, yes, her dad used the writings of Jane Leade and he was way into that, he was way into Christian numerology and he was even into selected portions of Kabbalah, which is straight up as a tarot thought.

So I recently emailed to Becky, she's very open about this kind of stuff, like she respects her dad, loved her dad, there's anybody who would. But she also just without making any kind of Defended hymn drawing the line. She says, okay, here's your stuff. You can you can make your own decision about whether you think it's up God or not so she sent me a taped Sermon on a CD it's it's entitled Jesus was not a Jew so on the surface you can say, oh, yeah, maybe you know It's kind of open-ended But how does he fill in the gaps and that's where he makes what I refer to it's an open door doctrine

Jesus was not a Jew boys like that's you can unpack that in numerous ways or here's what he says He says Israel is not a holy nation. They are generation of vipers. Oh, now we're getting a little bit Deep here and then he says the Corp. body of Christ are the spiritual Jews who will multiply and rule the earth Okay, now again, you have something sort of on it's sort of vague and you have to unpack it and you have to Bring it to where you wanted to go, but if there's already a doctrinal connection between that sort of vague teaching and the deeper revelations and

The deeper revelations happen to be provided by folks who've got one foot and The later any of the manifestants have got in one foot in Christian identity Then it's a way to pull people up if or out or down into that deeper More problematic perspective and then as I mentioned earlier Somebody who totally respected Bill Breton and references him a couple of times in his writings. That's David Ebal I talked to him. He was he was actually one of the least Earthy kind of somewhat Educated follow them that some unfortunately some of the people

If you weren't if you weren't More generous you might say oh, they're just on what they're talking about they're not trained Doctrally that's where they come up with this wacky stuff David Ebal was a pretty educated man. I think I forgot which he was an engineer I forgot which kind of engineering he did, but you can tell when he listened to his his tapes He's got a lot of his sleeve, but he's pretty subtle the way he does it. Okay, so he had messages listed One of them says the evil usually system. Okay, that's a definite definite dog whistle or

Dog mega farm what everyone called. Here's another Message called the seed of Satan. He has one called spiritual Israel. Now there is a tie Because you can hear anybody like from narfar through back on, through the sons of God, teachers of the latter reign, this idea that, you know, we are the spiritual Israel, then who sees other guys? Well, that's an open door into denigrating them, and so it's showing up a lot of folks do. He also has, I know you know all about this, John, he has a teaching on pyramid in the Bible. I know William

Brennan had a lot to say about that, even took it to his grave. Sorry, I had to say that, but I know what you think. Okay, then he had a, Ebo has another teaching called the Messing Tribes, I get it, and another one called International Banking. He says, no, this is interesting in a bit subtle, but he's kind of, he's kind of gone wink, wink, hint, he says that quote, the erroneous idea of a burning earth comes from 2nd Peter 3, 10 through 12, but instead he says that this burning, it's conclusively refers to the laws of Moses. I wonder if any

things connected to the laws of Moses? Was that the Jews who received the laws of Moses? What's this word burning? I'm sure you've heard that word used in very wicked, insinuating ways from folks like Wesley Swift. Yeah, there's so many concepts that I recently read the, I don't know, I've scared to call this a book, but I recently read the learned elders of Zion, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which was, this is what sparked what is called the Jewish conspiracy. And when you read it and you understand how that book, how that ideology

was weaponized by Christian identity, and then you understand the biblical references that they used in order to weaponize it. Suddenly, all of this starts to make sense. For example, you talked about how Jesus was not a Jew as one of the common deologies in the laterane movement. The Jews were not to be saved by the gospel. In fact, Brannum, the leader of the lettering movement, said specifically, the gospel is not to the Jews, and he makes some weird statement like only the renegades might accept the gospel. Whereas the biblical Paul said the gospel was first to the Jew, then to the Gentile, right? But you have to understand what they're, the way

that they have overloaded that phrase. They see the biblical version of the Jew as being the pure race, the pure seed, the pure bloodline, and they see the Jews that we see today as the Jewish conspiracy. And so therefore, they don't see Jesus as being part of this.

and he has to be separate from it. So you will find in the lettering movement, there's actually theology I grew up with, stating that Mary was just, Mary the mother of Jesus was just an incubator.

And Joseph had no part obviously because it was, you know, divinely produced Jesus into the womb of Mary, but they separate the human aspect of Jesus so that Jesus could not be human in this movement.

Because if he is human, then he has part of Mary's bloodline, and if he has part of Mary's bloodline, he's a Jew, and he's part of the evil seed. I did not know this was racist, but I grew up believing this weird thing, right?

And I never will forget the first real church that I went to that actually had some theology. I was trying to wrap my head around that concept, and I explained what I believed in the, like, what in the world?

And they started referencing all these passages talking about how he was fully God, fully man. How can you be this if you're not part of Mary's bloodline, right? But it's all part of the Christian identity movement, and they twist the Bible phrases to fit the Christian identity motives.

And those motives were based off of these, you know, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion was a propaganda spreading it. It is called a book, but it was a propaganda publishing in order to target the Jews and to spread anti-Semitism, basically, was the purpose of this book.

That's correct, John. And if I jump in at that point, yeah, I was scribbling down things when you talked about the blood. And also the thing that I think theologians would say that Brandon at all really violate what we call the hypostasis of Christ, fully man, fully God, from birth to death, never had that altered.

Every false prophet, first false teacher that we've ever run into, tinkers with and destroys what I would think of as a biblical understanding of the hypostasis as you were just outlining. So the part about the blood, oh, and I've never mentioned this before, but my dad was a very good faithful pastor, Presbyterian, and he introduced me to some of the early councils of the church in some of the so-called like the church fathers very early leaders in Christianity.

And they had to deal with this stuff all the way back then, separating the man, Jesus, from the Christ, who overshadowed him. him, whoever, who empowered him from his baptism. And so, yeah, big, big mess, misunderstanding. And the unfortunate part that you will hear people who say that a very high percentage of them also say that this opens the door for us, say in a Mormon-esque kind of way, to also become what he was. And a real big, you know, lettering manifest sons of God, the Feast of Pabranacles by George Warners, a big thing. Another one is Bill

Brithens, Jesus, the patterned son, yet at the patterned son. So he's teaching you, he's opened the way for you to become as he is, quite literally. Okay, so other folks from the lettering who are absolutely influenced by Jane Leed and said, so you got Royal Cronquist, George Houghton, the original apostle, founder, so-called of the lettering movement that's occurred and says, got you one. Then you got J. Preston, E.B. So here's what Cronquist has to say. Again, he says the word Israel refers exclusively to the sons of God. He says there's much in Scripture, though he doesn't say what it is, that speaks about pre-adomic races

of men. You can actually even hear that from Helen Blavotsky of the Theosophical Society. She clearly states she's a sight missed and in her writings and gives all kinds of references to make that very plain. But yeah, there's this pre-adomic race and then there's the pure other race. So Cronquist follows up at that and he says the blood, as you were talking about, the blood of my body was different from that of the fallen race of the first Adam. Okay. Then Mr. Houghton, the prophet, apostle, whatever he was, he says also the blood that flowed in his

veins was the life blood of God. Oh, that sounds like it's honoring Jesus and God. But look at what it also implies on the other side. If he had the life blood, this pure air in blood, then what does that signify about all those other folks that don't have it, specifically the Jews?

Houghton would send me, I think I mentioned this before, the living creature origin of the Negro, stating that black people were subhuman beasts of the field made for a servitude to white folks. He also had in his writings this interesting idea. He said, oh, and you mentioned the part about the British, British Israelism not being quite so.

virulent, if that's the right word, a version of tinkering with the lost tribes. I saw something a good analysis of Hottens teachings that say he was one of those who was sort of a forerunner in a way to take the leap from the British israelism out leading on to more strictly racist ideas of Christian identity. So he said that all forms of intermarriage with other races are strictly forbidden. That kind of brings to my mind things and the third rike foreboding for the Jews. He also says that Christian should no Christian, excuse me, should ever consent to such a union or accept the mongrel children

that it produces. That's pretty dark stuff. Then he says any thanking person knows that the Saxon nations are recipients of all the blessings of heaven and earth. Kind of has a Jane lead ring to it and it kind of sounds a little bit on the way towards Mr. Swift. Then Hottens says Henry Ford's remarkable words and he quotes him, the fathers of our nation were men of the Anglo-Saxon Celtic or Celtic race. And he quotes William Law. He says the carnal Jew crucified their dear redeeming and saver because their only desire was for the success of Judaism. Just a quick tag

on to that. It's funny how these guys kind of pick up the same ideas and they like I said they claim they got it from God don't think so. Eby says the notable, he's verbatim of what Hottens says.

The notable English mystic William Law wrote about the carnal Jew who crucified their savior. Then later in the same book or tract or whatever it was, J. Preston Eby says he quotes Howard B. Rand who's the author of the white supremacist text primogenesis.

Right and Howard Rand was the founder of the Anglo-Saxon Federation, the one I mentioned earlier that Gordon Lindsay was a part of. So all of it connects together. I think people don't realize how deeply rooted the white supremacy version of Christian identity about British Israelism was in the Laterane movement. We're talking about the founders of Laterane were teaching this theology and to the camp who who's looking at all of this thinking this is really weird. What are they talking about? I was I was 37 years old believing this while also manipulated to believe that that ideology was not racist. I was taught that if you were a

Christian, you didn't marry outside of your race. And if you did, their offspring could not enter to the kingdom of heaven. That was one of our foundational teachings, right? And it was a divine mystery from God. So if you're in the camp that's never been part of this, then understand that that's how they're taught. And also understand that like myself, I would not have considered myself racist. I know now that it was, and I've deeply apologized for being this way, but I had no idea that's how we were taught and manipulated. If you're on the camp who was in it,

realize that not only is it racist, this came directly from white supremacy leaders. It was no divine revelation. And you can trace it back to the early 1800s. I don't care which prophet you follow that teaches this. You can trace its roots all the way back to this. And then if you really take it back to Jane Leade, we're going, you know, decade centuries before that. So this was a racist ideology. It was a racist movement. But where it gets really weird and we'll get into this further as we go, Steve, it's racism and white supremacy and Anglo-Saxonism. But it's mixed with mysticism

and that and politics. You've got this combination of four different things coming into this. There are other things too, but these are four main components. When all of this blends together, this is what actually gives roots that the NAR can grow from.

I hear you, John. Yeah, you're hitting it on the head. I'm glad you talked about the NAR and the last statement you said, because rolling through my mind is that Gwynn Shaw, who was accepted as one of the prophets of the NAR, and associated with Cindy Jacobs and Bill Hammond and all the others who are just one step away from connections, you could say, high connections in Washington, very politically active and promoters of the kind of people they think would adhere to their same ideas. Yes, so Gwynn Shaw, part of the NAR said kind of the same stuff. A couple of quick comments

here. There's a couple of cults other than the ones we mentioned. One was a buddy Cobb was the right hand man of Sam V, who was the leader of the cult known as the move, and V was another very close associate with the Jane Leigh inspired Bill Britton. So let's see, what does Cobb have to say?

He says, Oh, Estimate Israel, the Jews, are not the chosen people. They are the rejected people, okay? So they're again, it's like an open door into those other kinds of ideas. Moses David Berg, as we've said before, was the leader of the cult known as the children of God.

It's got like several other aliases that were used. And again, another one influenced by the latter reign. He, in particular, used, as you said, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. Yeah, one of the horrible pieces of propaganda that's been misused and complicit in the murder of millions of Jews.

He said, our true importance is the bride of Christ is that we are the one and only Israel of God. And he also said that the curse of ham is to be applied to black people.

I believe if I'm not mistaken, that's also reflected in the esoteric writings of Helen Blavatsky, as I mentioned earlier. Then one of the more interesting folks that I've run into fairly recently, who are, they say that they're present true teachers and that's Terry and Taiki Crisp of Good Seed Publications.

They claim that they are influenced by George Houghton, Bill Britton, William Brannum. And so here's a little nugget to think throughout in their writings. Some suggest the possibility of a pre-ademic race of man

and they don't put any kind of negative connotation and they say, yeah, you know, some of us have received that revelation. So it's gotta be good. The only other thing I could say about the crisp is they are a prime example of folks that are totally based in later writing, manifest sons of God teachings, but have begun to have ideas of convergence with their concepts and with straight ahead new age teachings, especially the ones that are influenced by the Lisa Ferry and then she claims that she has Alice Bailey in the 1920s on to about 1950s.

She was writing these things. Well, Steve, let's do this. We are only skimming the surface of Jane lead to Christian identity. And this is something that I truly want to explore more. I think it would, it's already going to shock people that there is this weird connection between the two.

I highly recommend if you're listening and you want to know more about the Christian identity side of things, read the book. religion and the racist right, the origins of the Christian identity movement by Michael Barkun. That book for me was mind-boggling because suddenly I learned the history of where I came from, but it's from a non-theological level. It's going tracing the roots all the way back to white supremacy and British Israelism. What we're talking about doesn't contradict that, it supplements that. Because if you take the nosticism that flowed through all of this, nosticism was the foundation that Barkun's work could be literally built upon.

So, let's cut it off here, Steve. Let's come back next week and let's pick up where we left off. The shorter book that I have available now is also available on Amazon. It's called a quick outline of hands-on eschatology, a matter of timing and agency. It's less expensive and only about 60 pages, full of quote, effort quote, effort quote, dealing with perfectionism, dominionism, rulership, and what I refer to as the sacred purge.

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