Weaponized Religion: The Two-Seed Doctrine of Christian Identity

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum. And with me I have my co-host, researcher and friend, John McKinnon, the author of The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and the Noble Politician.

And together we're discussing weaponized religion, how Christian identity fused with early Christian fundamentalism and politics deform the foundation for the new apostolic reformation. John I'm really excited for today's episode. We Charles and I actually talked about this subject in great detail whenever we did the historical walkthrough of William Brannum's ministry.

But it's so complicated, there's so many facets to this. And when you combine British Israelism, it gives it another view into what was happening and why it was created. But then take a step back even further in time, angle of Saxonism, and you find all of the foundation that was laid that enabled the two seed doctrine of Christian identity, which is one of the most racist theologies that has emerged in the past few centuries. This is really, really bad, and you can go out.

And if you just type in Christian identity or two seed doctrine, in fact, Wikipedia has a really good article that goes through some of the problems with it, but the place that I point people to usually is the anti-deformation league.

You know, the Bible says by their fruits, you will know them. Well, the fruits of this doctrine alone, ignoring everything else that we've uncovered, just the fruits of this doctrine alone, lead to militias and political wars.

And I'll just read from the anti-deformation league's website. It says Christian identity is a religious ideology, popular and extreme right wing circles. Adherents believe that whites of European descent can be traced back to the lost tribes of Israel.

Many consider Jews to be the satanic offspring of Eve and the serpent, while non-whites are mud peoples created before Adam and Eve. It's virulent, racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-governments.

sentiments. Despite its small size, Christian identity influences virtually all white supremacists and extreme anti-government movements. It has also formed criminal behavior ranging from hate crimes to acts of terrorism. This is a very horrific doctrine, and I'm glad that we get a chance to go a little bit deeper into this and how it swayed Christian religion of the, you know, the early 1900s through the, well, even now, today, this still exists in some extremist sects.

Yeah, John, I'm real, real happy and excited to be involved in this episode, and once it's coming up, you know, these episodes that we're putting together is really going to bring all these connections together. Like you said before, it's like a big puzzle, and the message, and everything that happened through that is only one piece of the giant puzzle that's morphed into all these other groups. But there's so many variations in this doctrine too, you know, each one has their own separate spins on it, depending on what group you belong to. So we can explore, and we're

going to explore all those variations somewhat, and see how they migrate it in certain groups, some into the white supremacy groups that exist today, such as the area nations, Christian identity, some of it migrated into the message, some of it migrated into Clucleic's Clans doctrine, but they all have these connections. They all are like a big spiderweb, and they all are a part of it, but this episode will let us show the listeners exactly how they fit in the pieces of this puzzle.

And as we talk, you know, the way this came about, of course, it came from Britain, but it goes way, way back when all these ideas started, but the political climate, the religious climate of America at the time when all this came together was just ripe for this type of doctrine to enter in, you know, for mostly white America that was Protestant, that saw the changes in America, they didn't want happening, and we'll go through some of those as to what was happening, where that group of people just did not want to see that happen. So these groups just arose,

was the perfect storm for this kind of thing to happen. That's how a doctrine that comes, and it comes at the right time, people are just ready to hear it, and that's how this happened, but there were some other things that played a part in the growth of the clan and all these ideas, which will go into so on. But so we'll touch on all those things, and there are some variations to the doctrine that each group has their own spin on, but yeah, I'm excited about getting into this.

You know, growing up in this thing that I grew up in, we refer to it as the message. I had no idea that this was a white supremacy doctrine, and yet it was fundamental to the Ridge religion's belief system. Without this, you really can't have the quote unquote message.

And by the time that I was of age to understand what they were saying, they had so far taken the racial elements out of it. They all were there if you went back into the recordings of William Brannum, but they tried to take it to a spiritualized serpent seed. I heard one minister say that it was a physical bloodline between even the serpent until the flood, and then it became spiritual, and you had a spiritual good guys and a spiritual bad guys. But in its essence, they all take it back to the bloodlines, and it is literally the means to say that there are there are a people

and a lesser people. In all extremist groups, the message included that used this doctrine, it is really to belittle the people who don't believe your and your belief system. And so as we get into this, I think we'll show how that goes. But when this doctrine originated, with British Israelism, this was the white descendants of Europe, basically, that turned into this to see doctrine. It began as a not discrimination against the people who did not have the white skin. It began as a somewhat elite royalty. I think in our last episode, I mentioned the Scottish

Declaration of Independence. This was just simply stating that they were prideful, that they were part of the body, that people that descended from the children of Israel, whether they did or not, that's irrelevant to the point, they took pride in it. And over time, especially in the upper status peoples and groups and settings, they use this as a means of showing their prestige from a Christian viewpoint. The royalty believed that they were the royal seat of Abraham.

And so they took this and they ran with it as a political means to show that they are very, they're showing pride in their Christianity, basically. So it wasn't such a bad thing from its inception, but like all belief systems that are not truly based on fact, what happens is that people get to thinking about the other side of the equation. So if we are the royal steed and we with white skin or the Anglo-Saxons are the special chosen ones, then that by default means that the others are not. Yeah, and To build on what you said there, yeah, the very end result of these things in America had it's turned into

the violent type groups, the groups that See things just are slipping away from them the way America is changing and they have nothing else they can do But resort to violence just to try to maintain control, but in reality, they don't have control They lost it a long time ago, which which was good good for everyone But when you go back to the beginnings of this to see doctrine, you know It just seems so strange, but many groups of people want to believe there's a true Israelites They have no Jewish blood in them at all, but they want to claim

Heritage to the Jews and I don't know why that is. I guess just it's because the Jews were chosen as as God's people To bring this knowledge of salvation to the world and to bring Christ through The Jewish race, but everyone was to claim some of that lineage and they do that through the Christian identity through the British Israelism, but this thing can go back as far as there's several groups Even back to some of the Afghanistan's they they had a theory that they came from Israel and the British did which became You know Christian identity the French even had their version of it the Scandinavians did and even the Native Americans

did and believe it or not the Japanese do too and there's many others You know that that hold to this some type of doctrine that says you know we we were Descended from the true Israelites and we're the true Israelites and the the people that inhabit Israel today or not so There's just some prestige about that and and and one sense for the British people that gave them the The feeling that they have the right to rule and Everyone else has not of the descendants of Israel are their servants So it creates a class society which that's what you know America one of they wanted a class society where you know

The white people ruled and all the people of color skin would have to be the servants and they wanted to stay that way And that's and they use this doctrine as a basis for that You know some Have said that you know calling them mud people. They were the pre-adamic creation, you know if the ministers preaching that He's more along those lines and then and then the one with descended from the serpent You know what so?

Observed about that is that the serpent was a beast and and there's no there's no chance a beast can even mate with a human but The message believed as it was actually actually a physical seed line that produced You know cane so You know the the the reality to that if it really was then then we would have beast human people today They wouldn't have been lost. They would have been mingled in all the human race.

And we could have been able to identify it with DNA. But we know that beasts and humans do not mix. So, and there's some things we could get into with the scripture to show. If you follow it chronologically, you know, it's not possible for, you know, even the serpent to have had king. But, you know, I've even heard in our circles long time ago, I heard this that William Brownham could actually identify if you were seed or not. He could use his discernment and he could tell if you were really genuine seed or not, you know, another kind of absurd claim. But the first one I could

find that articulated the British Israel doctrine into its kind of modern form was a self-taught Scottish person named John Wilson. It was around, he lived in the 1800s. But in 1840, he gave a lecture and a man named Edward Hyne attended that lecture when he was a teenager. And Hyne claimed that Wilson was speaking something that lodged that thawed into his mind and heart. And from that day on, he began to study all the evidence he could about Britain's identification with Israel. So, Hyne eventually established that a British Israel identity corporation. And then along as a doctrine spread through Britain, organizations arose and his organization was challenged

and marginalized through that. So eventually, he left for America. And that's where I can see it coming into America around, that was in 1884. And then he gave lectures, he by the time he was will-versed in British Israelism, he gave lectures throughout the northern part of eastern United States and Canada. And in America, there was another man named Joseph Wilde. He was already spreading the doctrine in America too in the mid-1800s, on up to the 1900s. But Hyne and you mentioned Charles Totten in your notes. So Hyne and Charles Totten helped Wilde's efforts, but believe it or not, there was another person that already had some roots preaching British

Israelism in America named William John Cameron. And this was in the early 1900s by this time, but he was a journalist for Henry Ford. And I won't go into more details maybe a little later.

But Henry Ford, you know, was the one that embraced the protocols of Zion, the learn elders of Zion, publication, and Ford at the time didn't know it was a hoax paper. And Ford began to promote it, so it became a treatise against Jews. And Ford later recanted that, but it had already gotten into the system and the doctrine was being into spread already. Although Ford I said, he backed up from that, but Cameron, which was his journalist and all that, and just embraced it, and ran with it, and that's what continued this doctrine, and that's

where the hatred of Jews came. Of course, there was a lot of immigration, immigration occurring at the time, and that kind of ties back into the clan when we get into that, the starting of the clan.

And I'll mention something more about that later, about how immigration, the hatred of Jews, and the people of color, and white supremacy, I'll mingle to get, came together at one time. We should probably pause also and talk about some of just the fallacies with the methodologies in which they came to these conclusions.

If you trace the lineage back, you know, through each individual race, you mentioned DNA, well, there's also a common DNA point, right? And as you said, humans can't mix with the beasts of the field.

And so what happened was in the laterane movement, especially, which I'm at least familiar with, Branum, and some of the heads of laterane, they took the word in the Bible, the word the beast was the most subtle of the field, and they began claiming divine revelation, like this was something new, and said that this word subtle implied or suggested that the beast at one time was upright and walking and was able to actually have sex, because if you think of a snake, it would be very difficult for a snake to human, and a human to mate,

right? Well, this idea itself wasn't anything new. Also coming out of Scotland, we've mentioned Scotland at least three times now in this episode. There was a Scottish translator named Adam Clark, and he began speculating on exactly that.

How was the beast more subtle? And he came to the conclusion by making leaps that you should never make. He would take words that were in Hebrew, and he would find words in Arabic that sounded similar.

He didn't even mean the same thing, but he would make this leap, because the word sounded similar. And in his view, the serpent walked erect and had the ability to speak, and was basically a creature that was in between the humans and the ape kind.

So he is one of the earliest ones, and I'm certain that there were some before him, but he was one of the earliest ones that took the snake from the Garden of Eden, and morphed it into this creature which could mate with a human, which is interesting if you think about the laterane movement, because this is what William Brandham claimed as.

new divine revelation, the snake was not like the snake we have today he could mate. But that's not something that the Bible says. This is extra biblical. And so this laid the theology, one of the premises for Christian identity, it laid the theology that there was a different type of beast that was not like the beast that we have today, but was in between the human. And that created a a lower class of human. If you're if you're a Lord of rings type of fan, you've got the, you know, you've got the human, you've got

the hobbits and then you've got these or works or whatever. So essentially these guys were creating fantasy and these were the orcs. What happened was that laid the foundation for a lesser class of human.

And like you said, there's this explosion of bad things that happen in the United States. You mentioned the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. So you've got the British Israel doctrine which is coming in with the two seed out of Scotland. So you've got the upper class of people of humans, the lower class of humans mixed with now the Jews are of this great conspiracy.

So they must be of the lesser class. And like you said, William Cameron ran with this Edward Hine. It was printed all throughout the Dearborn Independent. And as we go further in this podcast, we'll talk about the foundation that was laid that brought that into later reign, the anti-Semitism, the two seed. It also opened the door for the pre-atomic race as you mentioned. That was one of the those elements essentially make up the Christian identity. To identify yourself as a Christian in this very destructive, dangerous movement, to identify yourself as a Christian, you had to identify

yourself as being part of the good bloodline as not part of the orcs or the lesser, they called the Mongrel basically. So it's an offensive term. But there were humans in America that weren't having white skin from Europe's flavor of white skin that they called Mongrel's right to their faces. I mean, that was out in public. And all of this came into later reign through William Brannum and Roy Davis, which we'll get into further in this podcast series. So yeah, John, to go back to all these characters we've mentioned, that's basically how it was brought into America,

you know, Joseph Wilde, Haim Charles Totten, and going back to Billy Cameron or William John, Billy Cameron, as why he's important is that, you know, Henry Ford had published a paper, I guess, to say that he supported or believed the document or the protocols of Zion and Cameron.

published a series of articles that became a book called the International Jew, the world's foremost problem. He also wrote for a newspaper and he was a staff writer for the Detroit News, so he had a lot of publicity. He was part of a British Israelite movement and, of course, say, closely associated with the Anglo-Saxon Federation, served on the Executive Committee.

So things were very exploding in the north with this doctrine. It was very getting embedded in America. Cameron interpreted the Bible as a racial book, and he was the first one to claim the Jews are not gods chosen people. So the Jews that everyone called Jews in that time were not gods chosen people. So it gave the people of America that embraced that reason to hate the Jews or reason to promote anti-Semitism. If they were proven that they were really not gods people, then there was no reason to honor them or to let them have special privileges,

as we being Christians want to honor the Jews. He also helped start the transition of the British Israelism to Christian identity. So I think that's very important to know that this man had a great influence in that transition time to what became Christian identity here in America. I know the interesting thing about Cameron, and this is a name that you've thrown out many times.

Cameron was a large contributor to the minister Gerald Winrod. So there's a connection there. How Cameron was contributing to Gerald Winrod's ministry, which I know you'll get into. So that's pretty much the background that we start from as we get into this. Like you said,

to place one group of people into the beastly category gives you a reason to make them a lesser than human, and a reason why you should be able to rule over them and to take dominion over them is in Genesis. Mandate says you should rule over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth, and the Christian identity movement believes that was only given to Adam and his race, you know, not to the serpent and the race from the serpent. Exactly. And if you think about the transition from what was brewing in Europe to coming into America, and this explosion of ideas

that became Christian identity, understand that it is a very political thing. When you mention people like Henry Ford, who had deep connections, not only to American politics, but also overseas, this kind of thing is the kind of thing that makes you a breakthrough. Henry Ford allowed it. He did not write it, but he allowed it. And I was reading one article they were talking about, or later denied all of this.

But there was one witness that said, there was nothing that passed Henry Ford's desk, but what he did not give his stamp of approval on before it was executed. And knowing how business works and knowing the business elites, I can assure you that if this thing were continuing as long as it did, Henry Ford had to have known.

There's no way that he did not know that this anti-Semitic doctrine was flowing from his own newspaper. But all that aside, it's entering into American politics, late 1800s, it's starting to transition to a very racial thing.

Long before, you mentioned the name Edward Hine and also William Cameron. Well, these two were the heads of the Anglo-Saxon Federation which we mentioned last episode. Gordon Lindsay was speaking at those conferences. So this is the point in time in which it's beginning to transition into Christian identity.

But there's a problem with this in that if you're bringing such an idea that is offensive, that's this is truly an offensive thing, you can't continue with it if it's not accepted by your listeners.

So whenever they're printing the deerboard independent, there had to be people that would ascribe to this idea, right? And so that's where this gets really interesting because while the majority of the doctrine that emerged into Christian identity did come from Europe through British Israelism, you also had some American connections to this.

One of the names that we mentioned, I think, long back in the historical podcast was Daniel Parker and Daniel Parker in the 1800s as this is developing in Europe was developing the same thing in the United States and in the areas that we're concerned with as we start talking through this podcast.

Parker was a Baptist and he was extremely influential and throughout Texas, throughout Indiana, Virginia, Tennessee, all of the areas that we're gonna be talking about as we go forward. But in 1837, he had become so popular that there were men going through, basically going through all of the areas of his influence to see and document how that they had progressed and one of those areas just happened to be New Albany, Indiana.

And you remember in Latter-Rain, William Brannum's claim was that he had a prophecy that he would live near a city called New Albany. And Parker, his claim, I don't just read his quote directly, he claimed and said, the serpent seed, I believe, to be the non- elect, which were not created in Adam, the original stock, but were brought into the world as the product of sin, by the way of a curse on a woman who, by reason of sin, was made susceptible to the seed of the serpent, through which means of her husband who per took with her in the transgression,

and therefore became the medium through which the serpent seed was and is communicated through the woman because she became the mother of the seed. So if you think about what that is saying, it's not quite the Christian identity, latarine version of it, but it is describing that something happened within the first human female that allowed a dark or a evil seed to come through Cain is what he claimed. And then the good to come through Adam, he had not yet taken the leap of what came in through Scotland of the beast being upright. So you take Parker's influence and

Parker's doctrine with this new idea coming in out of Europe with combined with the protocols, which is the the idea that the Jews were this lesser race, mix all of this together on the fertile ground in America that had been influenced heavily by Parker. You've got people who will listen, I'll just say it like that, there were a lot of people who wouldn't because Parker was deemed extremist by the Baptist and the Baptist denounced Parker over over this and other things Parker was doing. So it's not like all Christians in America believed it, but there were some that had been

infected with Parker's doctrine that this was very appealing. Now we see coming out of Europe the same thing that Parker said that I believe and now maybe Parker was right. And any of the groups that Parker influenced which covered a huge swath of the United States, they were now more willing to accept this doctrine. Yeah, John, this character you mentioned, Daniel Parker was a very influential minister, a Baptist minister, very strong predestinarian Baptist so much so that he rejected missions. He didn't believe that you would even have to have missions because if you were born into the world, you either born on the good seed or you were born in the bad seed and

the bad seed had no chance. And if you were a good seed, God had to save you anyway, so there was no need to evangelize. So he was very strong on that, but he was influential in many churches, founded churches for Gen. Kentucky, Tennessee, Illinois, and Indiana. He published his version on the 2C doctrine while he was in Vincent's Indiana in 1826. And as you mentioned, that was only a couple hours from New Albany in Indiana where William Brannam and his family had moved to, but he was definitely a very strong influence, but I don't know

how well received he was around there, but eventually he made his way to Texas, and Texas was still just a territory that Mexico still owned at the time, and it was very Catholic down there, and you had to have, there was no organized church allowed, but what he did was organize his own church in some way, and either as a corporation or whatever, but he organized his own church here while he was in America before he moved down there, but he ended up in Texas, and it was not far from Paris, Texas, and places that Davis is even known

to have come from in Texas, so in that same area east of Dallas, Texas is where he settled, so he spread that doctrine down there quite a bit too, so I imagine his influence had a very strong part to play in Davis hearing it, and even William Brown's mother was from Paris, Texas, so even their family being affected by this doctrine, so it was just infiltrated in America, and more and more people were picking up on it, and it just fit the times, if it were they were, and it was something that, you know, you want to feel elite, because

you want to be the privileged race, right, and that's how this thing took off, but there's so many more people we could mention, I mean, it just goes on and on, the people that supported this doctrine, but it was very widespread, and when you think of the similarities between Parker and other people who claim to have divinely received this revelation of the good guys and the bad guys, it gets interesting, because I mentioned the article where the Baptist was touring through New Albany, and he was, he basically determined that there were three classes of Baptist in the area, and again, this is the area where William Brannum spent the majority

of his life, so there would have been influence, because that influence was established as early as 18, what was it, 1837, I think I said, but he describes, he describes Daniel Parker, he said, Mr. Parker is an uneducated man, having, as he himself says, been raised an Indian hunter, and never understood the smallest rule in arithmetic, and when you, when you really think about where that leads, so this is a man who came up with this concept of the two seeds, I think it was 1826, he published his works on that, this is a man, again, who's uneducated, he has no basis for

this other than a spiritual claim, but spiritual revelation, I claim that there are good guys and bad guys, but he was an Indian hunter. And when we think of the class system, he was classifying the Indians as this lesser seed. And so this is long before it came to the point in which the people with black skin were considered the lesser seed. He was actually considering the Indians, the Native Americans, to be the lesser class of people or the seed from the serpent. If you read into what is going on in his life. So before it even took a racist against the African Americans or the Jews,

this was a racist thing that was happening against the Native Americans of this country. Yeah, John, those comments you made just kind of struck home to me for a minute and got my mind thinking on a couple of scriptures back in the last episode I mentioned that certain men crept in unaware. Those that were foredained to this condemnation, but there was one scripture there, but there was another one that came to mind that's talking about probably the times we're living in where Paul was talking to Timothy said, but evil men and seducers shall wax worse and

worse deceiving others and being deceived. And when you mentioned Daniel Parker's version and how he came up with it and and then the message itself, you know, this everything we're mentioning about this doctrine, there is nothing to me. There's nothing in this doctrine that can be of heavenly origin. I believe it comes, this just confirms to me that it comes from a satanic origin. This whole doctrine is satanic. I think the whole thing, I hope the listeners can see that.

And when they're embracing this doctrine, it's definitely not of God and it only produces evil. And everything we're mentioning here, you can see all the fruits of it. It goes right back to what you said in the beginning, the fruits of this thing is not good. And we're just exposing it, but this just hit me just now to think about that. That's exactly what's happening is that these men are not, I don't know how they got influenced, how they are preachers of the gospel, and can have these feelings toward other people, you know, because Jesus did say preach the gospel

to every creature, every person in the world. And and see that belief, you know, not he that's not out of the serpent's seed. He didn't say that. He didn't say divide the people up in the different seed types and only preach to the good seed and don't worry about the bad seed. But that's exactly what these people are doing. And that's exactly what the message will do to you. If you question, you know, one word of it, they'll throw you right into the category of bad seed and write you off, and that'll be the end of you. You'll be ousted from your church, your family.

as the people you had in your podcast have been explaining, but it just goes to show you what this doctrine weren't come from. And I believe it's so clear, if it's not clear at anyone right now, just keep listening, and you'll see how clear it'll become.

Exactly. You know, this was a means to divide people, pure plain and simple, and that's not, you know, the, the Bible says that it was for all who would believe. It doesn't say for all with white skin, who wouldn't believe. And fast forward to today, you know, there are descendants of this 2C doctrine that they try to twist it and claim that it's not a physical bloodline thing, even though, you know, when William Brantam spread it to the Laterane, it was a physical bloodline in it. He talked about how it went through Noah and through Noah's sons, I should say, this was a physical bloodline, but they've twisted

it to make it sound not so racist so they can still cling to it. But in the end, it is literally saying that the power of the gospel is not enough to save if you are of this evil bloodline.

If you take all of what they say out to its logical conclusion, which is problematic. But, you know, when you think about the roots of where this came and how it entered into the Laterane movement, which as, you know, as we're going to show through the podcast, it descended into the New Apostolic Reformation, all of this foundation was laid. It has some very strange roots, and Parker is key to basically the, he's the one who made all of the fields, he planted all of the seeds and all the fields, all throughout the areas that this began to develop when we get

into Roy Davis. This was before Texas was even fully formed as a territory. He was down throughout that area. I think it was called the Missouri territory, if I remember correctly. And this is the area where Pentecostalism was birth. He had Charles Fox Parum who was in that same region. And where it gets really interesting is I studied Paris, Texas because working with the family historian of Roy Davis, Davis and all of his family hailed from Paris, Texas.

And this was another region. You know, Davis was also a Baptist when he was in Texas. So this would have had some influence from Parker. And in Texas, especially in Paris, Texas, it would have been a accepted doctrine because they were very, very racist against people with black skin.

And Paris, Texas was one of, it was a site where the most famous lynchings after the reconstruction happened. So Davis is in one of the most notorious areas of Texas. and they were stringing up African Americans on the, they even have photographs of the, you know, of the lynchings that they had back in the late 19th century, earliest 20th century.

There were approximately 468 people lynched in Texas and Paris was a hotspot for the lynchings. And again, you can't really directly tie Roy Davis to Daniel Parker, but Parker had a heavy influence in Texas and these people were against people with black skin.

At the same time, you have Pentecostalism being birth and not many people realize how racist that Charles Foxe Parham was, especially when you read Parham's book, The Everlasting Gospel, you can kind of get a sense for it.

He talks about the races mingling together like hogs. He calls the blacks and whites mingling as though they're mingling in the mud with each other because of their skin, their skin color. And Parham believed that the greatest sin of humanity was the mixing of the races.

So he is coming, you know, from an area that's influenced by Parker and he's very against race mixing. This is a history that's widely untapped today because Parham has became this, you know, weird, great founder of the faith, even though towards the end they will admit that Parham was having some relations with young boys, which is problematic.

But long back, I was working with a author named Bernie Wade and he was working on a book that was the history of Parham but also the history of racism in Pentecostalism. The book is a very excessively pro-Parham book and at the time I was working with him, I'd not yet found where Parham had admitted himself to the sodomy claims against the wasn't a boy, it was a young man that was with him.

And I was unaware that there were a long history of similar things happening and that during his trial there were witnesses who attested that their children were also the victims of Parham. So I was unaware that all of this existed when I was working with him.

But the book goes through and it talks about the racism in early Pentecostalism, which is problematic because Parham had a deep, heavy influence. And so Parham believed that the mixing of races was bad.

He was also, as we mentioned, I think in the last episode influenced by, strongly by John Alexander Dowey and by Frank Sanford, both of which were British Israelites and they, at least Sanford was spreading the works of C.A.L. Totten.

So you've got early Pentecostalism that is influenced by Daniel Parker to some degree. who believe that the mixing of races is bad, and it's mixing British israelism theology into this. But as we go forward and we'll talk about the deeper connections, Param also was a heavy influence on Wesley Swift, which is considered to be the father of Christian identity. You mentioned the 1906 Azusa Street Revival, the start of Pentecostalism. You had Param there, and he was very, very much a white supremacist, very much believed this doctrine. And then he also had William Seymour, and I was

interesting. You had a black man there at Azusa Street, and you had Param behind the scenes. I believe Seymour was a disciple of Param, and what he saw in Kansas, I think he took out to California, and that's where they started that revival. But Param was very much the father of it. And I guess when I see Pentecostalism, there's two seeds or two branches of that. One branch had more of the mingle mix congregations and allowed blacks and whites to mingle.

There was that branch, and there was another branch which was the part we're talking about that believed the two seed line theory, and they wanted to stay separate. And to me, that's the evil side that we're exploring. Definitely not the true Christian side of the Pentecostal move of God, if you want to call it that.

It definitely was the more evil side that we're exploring, because I don't see how anyone could claim to be a Christian and hold these kind of doctrines, which produces only hatred toward another group of people.

You mentioned Wesley Swift, and he was the one that popularized the two seed line theory amongst all the white supremacist groups in the United States, and he promoted it within the Ku Klux Klan as well.

So he was a heavy promoter of that. Also was very much influential in the Pentecostal movement, and I think it has a lot of ties with our groups. But I know like you said, Daniel Parker spreading those ideas, I'm sure that's probably, and I always wondered where, Roy Davis got these ideas from, but it had to have been in those communities that he was associated with in Texas, because by the time he came to Georgia and began working with Colonel Simmons, who started the clan again, those ideas had already been entrenched in those areas. And being a rural community, I remember back in the days when I was

growing up, we had a very rural community, people were living one to two miles apart or more, and you knew everyone in that community, and you knew where they went to church, or you knew what they believed. So I'm sure it was that way in Texas with the limited number of people that lived probably in those territorial regions that and the states when they were coming just had coming to be a part of America that were not wasn't very populated. So you knew every every neighbor that you had and I'm sure you talk with them you spent time you know learning who they

were and what they were about and I know those ideas just spread like wildfire throughout that region. So so Roy Davis very much had it entrenched in him by the time he came over to Georgia around 1915 but I believe there's to me there's evidence that you know he was already a minister by 1915 but I believe as he became around 20 years old you know sometime around 1901 or 1905 maybe around 20 years old he began working with Simmons to develop the new clan and we'll go into that more as how this developed but at some point I believe well before 1915 he had he had

worked with Simmons and came in contact with him because because Roy he he was already fully developed in his ideas by the time he got to Georgia and again his trail you know moving throughout the US spreading this doctrine and promoting the clan so he was very well versed in it by the time he got there. I would agree that the areas of influence are key and understanding the historical lineage where one man influenced another is also key people are going to wonder how we make the association or make that leap into connecting into the latirane movements well it's not just the it's not just the influence of like the Dearborn

Independence or you know you take Daniel Parker he was a long before William Brannum in the latirane movements but there are areas of location and there are people who are working together in those areas that that's really where all of this starts to come together as we go forward I'm jumping ahead a lot but I'm excited about getting into this.

Paris, Texas for example I mentioned that earlier well Paris, Texas has so many weird connections. Paris, Texas they had so many lynchings that they whenever there was a trial they called it the Court of Judge Lentch in other words if you have black skin you're going to be lynched basically is what that amounted to but William Brannum in some versions of his stage persona he admitted that his family came from Paris, Texas and you know whether they knew Davis or not we can't say but it seems odd to me that Davis who was also from Paris, Texas went on his wild schemes throughout

George L silhouette Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee, and then landed up right in the very city where William Brannum's family, who are also from Paris, Texas, they came to the same place, that's really odd.

And Joel Osteen, he was born in Paris, Texas. You can't really make the leap and say Joel Osteen was connected to Roy Davis because they were from Paris, that doesn't work. Even though Davis was in the laterane movement, but Davis had moved to another state.

But it's influence, it's culture. He grew up in this culture and I can looking at the history of Paris itself, you can say that the culture was a racist culture because they were still racially segregated as late as 2006 and they prided itself and being racist.

They said it's the best small town in Texas at the same time that all of these hate crime, and it had a history of hate crimes, the most infamous in all of Texas. So you've got Roy Davis there, you've got William Brannum's family there, you've got John Osteen, his father, was in the laterane movements and he was deeply connected.

We'll get into that much later down the podcast, but all of this concentrated in the same city. And then as we further explore, there are other men and nearby cities who became pillars in what birthed the charismatic movement and the word of faith movement.

So as we go along, you'll see that there are some geographical connections, but back to Roy Davis, it's key to understand the trail that he led from coast to coast, influencing people of great status in both politics and religion, with his version of Christianity, which included the racial component.

You don't see many documents labeling, in fact, you don't see many documents about Davis in general, he had a very secret life, but he was probably more key to the Christian identity movement than Wesley Swift, and Swift is recognized as basically the father of this thing.

So as we get into this, we'll explore all of what I just said more, but understand that it's not just the human connections, there is a cultural aspect to it that we're going to explore as we go further in the podcast.

Yeah, I would agree with you. It's very much a cultural thing, and it was just so happen. It was just the right time in America for all that to come together, and to bring this type of doctrine that was very appealing to the culture of America, which was mostly a white culture, and I know that the white people, the white race wanted to preserve all of that, and that was their means of doing it.

Is to use these type of vehicles and this doctrine was just a very appealing to them You know the doctrine of British Israel also can be found, you know within the Latter-day Saints church as well

Joseph Smith even claimed that the descendants of lost tribes could be found on the American continent You know, so it's just everywhere It can also be found it was used to be found in the worldwide Church of God with Herbert Armstrong because Herbert Armstrong was a proponent of the Serpent Seed doctrine as well, but an interesting thing about Herbert Armstrong Church You know after he died the and Armstrong was also influenced by the writings of John Allen. I believe we mentioned John Allen earlier but in 1960s His organization really expanded and he died in 77

But right after that There's a doctrinal shift in the worldwide Church of God. They're called themselves. I think Grace Communion International now and They have an official repudiation of British Israelism now, and I'm sure they also repudiate the Serpent Seed doctrine as well, but they they totally went against Armstrong's teachings and established themselves as a new church more evangelical Very more balanced. They may still keep the Sabbath day Saturday as a Sabbath But but they're much more balanced than they used to be Which which is a good thing? I think you know if they're trying to serve God

I mean, that's a good thing to shift more biblical and get away from those doctrines and you know I guess my personal desire would would like to see all message ministers You know come out of the message movement and and balancer church with with the word of God and with scriptural teachings and get back to You know, you say you want to get back to the word. We'll get back to the true word. You know, that would be my desire So we have an Oppressed in it there by the worldwide Church of God. So if there's any message ministers listening to this podcast

I would exhort you to you know take a look at all this these things and and get your church back balanced with with the word of God and Come out of these heartful and harmful doctrines that you're embracing It's interesting to note that even Amy simple McPherson in the 1920s. She even appealed now Though she has you know didn't appeal to the Clucleus clan and embraced her

Ideologies of hatred. She did appeal to him at one time To try to undermine the Roman Catholics who were critical of her work there. So she sided with the clan at one time to To leverage her, you know, power to use their influence to tell her followers that You know, they don't need to listen to what the Roman Catholics were saying of her work around there And what she was doing in her evangelical efforts But that's so her allies is kind of interesting that she would ally with the clan.

And I guess the clan, as we get into that, the clan kind of rang true with the culture of America. They may not have did a lot of bad things. They probably did some good things because they had to do some good to be recognized as a valid order, even when they went to Washington to have those hearings.

But and even Brownham said that he'll never be able to forget what they did for him when they paid his hospital bill back in that day when he was got shot and was 16 years old in the hospital and they was able to pay his bill.

So they did some good deeds, but underneath all that was all the bad deeds as well. Exactly. And to further solidify this, not to go too deep because I don't want to jump too far ahead.

But you mentioned Herb Armstrong and Herb Armstrong obviously affiliated with the Church of God. Well, whenever Roy Davis's church was planted in Jeffersonville, he was the head of the Pentecostal Baptist Church of God Sacked, which was a new Pentecostal organization because he had been kicked out of all of those other, he was kicked out of the Baptist, he was kicked.

So there is a religious connection, but also and we'll get into this probably, I don't know, 10, 15 episodes in the future, but Herb Armstrong was ordained into the Church of God in Portland, Oregon, and he became the pastor there.

I think it was 1831 that he was in the Oregon Conference of the Church of God. Well, in that area when we start talking about geographical influence, that area was heavily influenced by British Israelism through the works of Ruben H. Sawyer, and he was a notorious cland guy.

In Portland, Oregon, there was an Oregon clan that from 1921 to 1924 reigned in that area in Portland, and it was Ruben Sawyer that introduced the clan to Portland when he addressed over 6,000 people in the municipal auditorium that was in December of 1921.

All right, Sawyer had ties back to Shreveport, Louisiana, which as you know became the early headquarters for the Voice of Healing magazine, William Brannum's campaign team basically. His influence there began around the same time that another character which we're introducing into the podcast, Gerald L. K. Smith, had moved from Indianapolis with the Indiana clan down into Shreveport, so you've got all of these weird connections.

and exploring the influences of those connections, I think, is fascinating. But that's for another episode down the future. I don't want to jump too far ahead. But needless to say, to sum up everything that we've said in this episode, you had all of these different ideologies, which were false, if people today who still believe this serpent seed doctrine, there's a number of them that do.

If they were to examine each of the foundations from which it was built upon, they would reject most of those foundations because they're anti-Semitic, they're anti-Jew, anti-Black, anti-Native American, and they're mixed with Jewish conspiracies and false translations, and even false histories of genealogies of people.

All of the roots of this thing are purely wrong, but it's weird because they all combined in each different varying group of person who ascribed to whatever is the belief that it was built upon, those people will hold to their beliefs until they die.

They will defend these things even though they're false. And so Christian identity became this umbrella, basically, for all of these bad, really, really bad ideas. Christian identity became the tie that bound them all together.

And so as this progresses, the identity framework becomes key to understanding how the latarine movement was birthed and how it was evolved. And as we'll explore as we go further, the cultures surrounding the men who birthed it, I think, is key to understanding just why they did what they did.

Yeah, John, that's a good summary. I'll tell you, we didn't even, we've barely touched the surface of everything we, I had even written down that I was gonna get into today, but we'll definitely get into that in future episodes.

But regarding this, the doctrine that we're referring to, I think we have clearly shown that this serpency doctrine was never an original revelation that Brannum received from an angel somewhere. His just doctrine had been around for many, many years.

And it was something that he was well acquainted with from the start. It was in his community. And it was something that he decided to incorporate into his message that it was some exclusive revelation.

But I think we've clearly shown that it was never a revelation or some new revelation. And we've also shown that it produces nothing but bad fruit. I mean, when you look at the trail of where this doctrine has gone and what it has eventually produced.

And unfortunately today, many of the Christian identity groups have... become very, very low in number and less and less as time is going on, but it's produced definitely a bad fruit altogether. And also, I think we've shown that it doesn't even match what is in the natural water of things, you know, beast and human just cannot mate together.

It doesn't even meet the natural water. And I think we can show if we wanted to and maybe we might do that at some point, but we can show it's not even scriptural, you know, if you follow the scriptures out and follow Genesis out step by step, you know, it's not even scriptural.

But it's just a matter of people throughout history of always one person wants to exalt themselves above another. That's just the nature of human beings to do that. One person wants to rule over another.

And so this is no different. This doctrine only produces in people that desire and so it really, it takes a heart out of Christianity really in the end because Christianity is not about one ruling over another.

We have one king and we're not kings one over another. We're not rulers and having one class of people above another, but that's all the message produces is one class of people, you know, above another.

Exactly. And if you take a scriptural standpoint, you really can't make this work. You've got quotes where in the New Testament it's by one blood has every nation been birthed. What's really interesting, which we're, again, not to jump ahead, we're going to get into this more in the podcast, but when you examine the characters of the men who are introducing these, these are not Christian men, they're using deception to bring this.

So the Bible also talks about in the New Testament the deception that would come into the church. Well, you mentioned William Brannum and not to focus on him. He's a side story, but it is key to understanding that he brought this into the latter reign, which exploded into all of these weird, unusual, pseudo-Christianity, I should quote the word Christian, pseudo-Christianity movements.

But he claimed it as divine revelation in, it was the year 1958. He claimed that this was a mystery that he received from God. But if you have access to searches sermons, he admits that he learned the racial version of this in Roy Davis's church, which we'll get into as we progress through time into about the, you know, the early 30s, we'll cover that.

But even on his, in his own sermons before he preaches the serpent seed, the sermon with the title serpent seed, as early as 1953, he was preaching Wesley Swift's version. In the quote, as he said, Nimrod was the son of Ham, which come back on from the son of Cain.

them seeds as they came up. That was an exact replica of Wesley Swift, the father of Christian identity, the father of the one who popularized the two-seed doctrine in the United States. Branum is saying the exact same things that Swift has been teaching, you know, and Swift is out in California after the birth of the California clan. He's literally the second-in-command of the California clan, which we'll explore when we get into approximately the 1940s. So not to jump too far ahead, but just to give the listeners a view of what's coming. We're going to explore how

this two-seed doctrine and all of these other things that we've talked about, the Jewish conspiracy, all of the dirty politics, and basically to sum it up all of the deceivers who came into the church.

We're going to be exploring this through time as we go, but we had to lay this foundation of the two-seeds because to understand Christian identity, you have to understand that there was an intent by evil-minded men to create a doctrine that could sever the body of Christ, one that could take you as a listener and convince you that you could become an elitist and that there's a subclass of humans, and you could see yourself as better than the subclass who were doomed to hell.

That if you follow it all out to its logical conclusion, that's where it leads. But anyway, we'll get to those in the upcoming shows, and if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web. You can find us at William-Branum.org.

For more information about the dark side of Latter-Rain, read Weaponized Religion from Latter-Rain to Colonia Dignidad, available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible, and to learn more about Roy Davis and this trail that's leading to William Branum, you can read The Persuasive Preacher, The Gifted Prophet, and the Noble Politician, also available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.