Weird Doctrines: NAR Prophets and Politics

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, James Goad. And together we're discussing the very weird things that preachers say, why they say them, and how they relate back to the laterane healing revivals of the late 1940s through the 1960s. And today, James, we're going beyond the 1960s to a very recent semi-device of subject matter. I avoid politics almost at all costs, except for talking about the history of

the merging of religion and politics, because as we've discussed on this podcast several times, this was not a religious cult that we escaped. This was a political cult that was disguised as a religious cult. And I have, by this point in time, I've published enough information that people can see the new things that are happening in today's world, very, very, very bad things that are happening. And they can see the historical references to how they came to be in our research.

So even though I avoid politics of today, because you're going to make 50% of the people angry, no matter what, we can kind of see where that came from. Except for today, you've picked a doozy of a topic, and it looks like we're going to talk about the orange colored guy.

And I'm just going to start this podcast by saying I am not advocating for or against a political party in this episode. If you like the orange colored guy, then that's your guy. If you hate the orange colored guy, then that's the guy that you hate. I'm going to just leave it at that because I'm not the one to make your political decisions. I do have an opinion, which I keep to myself.

And I have a basis in historical research of how those opinions formed. And you're welcome to read the research and see how I came to my opinion, even though I won't give it to you.

Yeah, there's so many weird things that happen. You know, in the past, when we investigate all the things in Bram's time and stuff, and then moving... for it even today and how ministers use political movements and stuff for their own gain and a lot of it is because there's this whole frenzy of putting the right man in office and is this the guy, is this guy a man of God, is this the guy who God wants in office and are we doing our Christian duty by putting the right man in office and advocating for the

right man to go in office. So when all those pressures combine and then you have all these ministers professing to be prophets or at the very least being able to utter prophetic words, that's the hip phrase.

It's not I'm a prophet, it's I utter a prophetic word. But it's just one of those things that when people get worked up in all these frenzies and like I said, is this the right guy, is this the guy that God wants to be in office, then you have people coming in and they want to say the thing that turns out to be right and then hey, it's really easy to build a following off of stuff like that.

It's like, hey, I prophesied that Trump would be in office and then if he gets in office and it's like, hey, you know, I'm the guy who had the prophetic word and it was accurate.

So yeah, it's interesting and also some of these things are quite scary sometimes when you look and see how some of these things are used and how people are swayed in ways that they just kind of get caught up in it and swept along and some people kind of lose grasp of reality.

You know, I'll never forget whenever I was coming of age and when you're in this religion and you don't really recognize the way in which they're manipulating your mind politically, you join into the quote unquote fight for the faith and whenever I was in high school and coming of age, the fight for the faith was against President Clinton and I can tell you sermon after sermon minister after minister who's saying, this is the coming of the mark of the beast and Hillary is the fulfillment of Brannum's prophecy and can't you see he's ruled by Hillary and the way that they manipulate your mind is they create a very strong clear

line in the sand between you and those that don't share the religion's political views. So much so that I was influenced as a unsuspecting high school teenager that anybody in the school who is trying to side with Clinton, well they must be of the enemy and although I was not a person who hated other people, I love all people and always have, I viewed them differently because of the way that they manipulated my mind and if anybody were to mention it, I immediately went, you know, like they do.

today. You see, you post on Facebook, one candidate or the other, you're going to get an immediate 50 comments of hatred that you've posted this, which is why I've avoided at all costs. I made that mistake once. I'll never make that mistake again in social media. But that's the way they manipulate your mind. And the fact that it's happening so widespread among all of these NAR churches, all of these message splinter group churches, basically anybody who is indoctrinated with this political movement, this political cult that was disguised as religion. If you encounter one of these people and you're not supporting the candidate that their preacher supports,

they will absolutely blast you in an un-Christ-like manner. Right. And like you said, either way you go, you can't, you can't win. So sometimes it's better just to let people come to their own conclusions and stay out of the political inviting.

Exactly. Yeah. One of the things people might say, since we've spent so much time looking at Branham in some of these things, is how does Branham play into this? And one of the things that you see is that a lot of these ministers try to build up Branham in a way to where they can use his perceived gift and try to piggyback on the credibility of that gift to also say, oh, well, we're under the annoying, we're, we're, we're, we want the anointing that God put on Branham. We want to also have God pour that anointing onto us and things. You'll see stuff like that happening in these

movements. But through my research, I found this clip here. And it's, it's kind of interesting because it kind of shows sort of the mindset that some of these ministers in this, in a, our movement, how they sort of think about some of these things and how they sort of rationalize some of this stuff, especially when it comes to Branham. So let's roll into this clip and dive in a bit further. And one of the things that we that has grieved this all is we've watched people walk in powerful gifts and signs and winners and miracles and maybe they can, maybe they can get

people's addresses and so security numbers. I mean, I've literally walked, I've had sons that have that level of prophetic gift, but their life is, is, is crap. It's, it's, it's their characters shot. And, and so we begin to develop a doctrine so that people won't be powerful and have bad character, but it's not in the Bible. I was talking to somebody in Alabama about William Branham.

And they said, well, William Branham ended bad. William Branham was a heretic at the end of his life and whether you believe that or not isn't really the point. But so was Solomon. And he got to write a book after he didn't have a relationship with God. David was a murderer and an adulterist.

It doesn't mean that God was validating that, you know, just go ahead and commit adultery, and I'll still love you. That, that isn't the point. He's just telling the truth about his people. I mean, how about Samson?

How about Hezekiah? I mean, those guys all ended bad, but they're in the book.

So, Branum, who we've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, had a ministry filled with fiction from the very beginning to the very end, who had not one single successful prophecy as we have adequately displayed at this point in time. He was like Solomon.

I've heard this, you know, from many different groups from the, you know, you can take the prophets of the NAR, which I'm not showing the guy's face for reasons, which I'll explain in a bit, but everybody who has studied the prophets of the NAR, they know who this is that we just played.

This is a very famous person. I'll just say it like that. They have built their entire ministries, their entire empires, their entire financial engines on top of the thing that William Branum created. So, they cannot admit that, now this guy was false from the beginning. He was a heritage. He had a strategy because they're built on top of it. If you take away Branum's foundation, then their foundation crumbles. And it becomes so problematic because when you see what the NAR is doing today, and if you examine any of the, you know, there are apologists who are now

targeting the NAR prophets and their movements today because it's becoming politically dangerous. I'm not going to say that this person is dangerous or not. That's up to you. This is your political opinion, but they are weaponizing religion against the people, and many of them are starting to say that there's a civil war coming. In the same way that in the 60s, whenever this was politicized with Branum and Davis, they were saying that civil war is coming again, referring to the fight between the people with black skin and people with white skin.

And the problem is that we're going to dissect in this episode for, you know, explaining how the NAR has built this platform. The problem is that they have taken William Branum's end of day's prophecies, and they've said that that part was correct, but they've taken his doctrines, which people now, you know, your average Joe Christian now has easy access to Bible resources.

They know their Bibles in many cases. Well, they know that William Branum's doctrine was just off the rails. So these men cannot say that William Branum's doctrine was correct, but what they're trying to establish is that William Branum's prophetic ministry was correct. And therefore, because his was correct, and my foundation, my being, these NAR prophets, by foundation built on top of this alleged prophetic ministry, must also be correct because I'm built on that.

same foundation. And the end result of all of this is that, you know, it's a foundation built on top of a foundation built on sinking sand. Right. And, you know, there's so many problems with trying to use Brannum as a foundation or even a pillar of your, of your prophetic ministry. Because if in any way you're trying to take Brannum's credit, perceived credibility in some of these circles and use it to booster your own perceived credibility, then you've tainted your ministry from the very get-go. Because as we've shown and others have shown in these episodes and in other research that it's out there, there's not a single piece

left standing of Brannum's ministry when it's examined critically, examined through scripture, examined through history and facts. And it's completely decimated. I mean, let alone all the other stuff that's going on with the prayer cards and his healing ministry and, you know, all these other things. It's very, very dangerous and worrisome when you see people out there trying to use Brannum as a stepping stone to get to where they want to be in their ministry. You know, and it also goes to show that when you use somebody like Brannum, there are ways in which you've got all this, this, these resources

that you can look at and say, how did Brannum handle things when he was wrong? Because ultimately, a lot of these guys are wrong and they'll say things that are wrong and how, how do you handle that and how do you pivot and also still seem credible when you get proved to be wrong at the same time. You know, it's, it's very fascinating watching some of these, these people move and how they sort of present themselves and adjust their ministries as they go to try to stay ahead of the fact that, you know, they're speaking prophetic words. And the, the thing behind it,

and this is one of the things that troubles me when, when you see people using the terms prophetic word now because it's, it's almost like they're trying to get away from the term prophecy even though they will still say prophesied, but it's like this prophetic word thing is so hip because the Bible is very strict in how you deal with prophecy and an extension failed prophecy because when someone comes to you and say their prophesying, what they're saying is God told me or God spoke through me this thing. And so these words that I'm speaking are directly

from God just using a human interface to, to tell them to you. So it's very, very troubling if you have a bunch of people going around saying that they're prophesying and if there is no way to, to check them and to prove they're wrong, then you could have all sorts of chaos going on and that's why you see script.

in the Old Testament, you know, talking about what happens when someone prophesies something in the name of the Lord, and it comes out to be wrong. They're proven wrong. And, you know, some of those scriptures in the Old Testament are very, very to the point and to the fact in what you do in those situations. And, you know, that's not how we would handle things today, but the point still remains that if someone is coming to you and saying that they're prophesying in the name of God, it's a very serious thing. And it's not just, oh, oops, you know,

I made a mistake, you know, as if you're looking at it from a Bible context or how to handle these things. And it's just one of those things where, you know, yeah, it's so problematic because it's not something that you can just so easily say, oops, I got this one wrong, I'll do better next time.

You know, it's a very serious thing to do in these churches. And some of these people seem to do it just willy-nilly. And it's just like, oh, sorry, I got that one wrong. Let's move on to the next one and forget that even happened. Right. And the problem is that the way that these NAR prophets portray all of this is very much the same way that William Brannum did. It's almost like they're preaching and prophesying in double speak because on the one hand, they'll tell you that we're a peaceful people. God loves peace. God is love. We are, we're not violent people. But the way that they portray

the other political party, the one that they're targeting is they'll elude to the fact that they show signs of being violent or are violent. And they will paint the picture in the people's minds that they're manipulating that the enemy, in other words, Christian or not, somebody who is of the other political affiliation, the enemy is growing militant and violent. And what happens is because they're doing this, if you have a person who's somewhat mentally unstable in the religion, who has a military background or a military weapons fascination, we all know there's many people like that in these movements, who is somewhat mentally unstable and then sees this

as the enemy, well, then their first thought is, well, we need to rise up and fight this because this is evil in the United States. I need to be a patriot. And we've examined this a bit in some of the daily episodes and the other podcasts, how this political progression has came to be.

And the things that they're saying in these NAR movements, it's absurd. One of the prophecies that we've examined recently is talking about the coming civil war in America. And I'll just read your quote from the website. There's this one particular, I'm not singling this person out.

This is one voice in a thousand. But this person says there has been an uncivil war for some time in America between the legally elected government and left-wing Democrats under the authority of the DNS and their MSM, which is being paid by the communist Chinese and rogue CIA. And so these kind of statements, which have no place in a church, no place in a religious movement whatsoever, are painting. This person is obviously a Republican.

You can tell he's painting the Democrats as being communist. Same exact thing that William Brannum did. Same exact thing that if you go all the way back to the formation of Christian identity, that was its entire premise. Communists have invaded the United States and are government officials. You cannot trust them. Well, they're taking those political ideologies that led to the race riots, which was almost a self-proclaimed prophecy of civil war. Gladly it didn't happen, but it nearly did. Well, they're doing it again in today's day and age. And the fact that this is even allowed, the fact that people who many of them do know the history, the fact that these people

attend these churches and they listen to these kind of things, it tells you that there's not there's not a devotion to Christianity or the gospel. There is a devotion to the political affiliation and they're joining into new political cults that splintered from William Brannum.

Right. And that's one thing we've looked at in some of the message churches that we've examined and some of the things that the ministers are saying there. And you have so many things that are being spoken in a lot of these churches. And it's really, it gets really weird and very strange, very, very fast. When you start mixing in a lot of hyper-political talking points and things like that into what is perceived to be religious sermons. And one of the problems is that especially when you get to geopolitics and stuff like that, there is a lot of moving pieces. There is a lot of

sub-factions and a lot of these different and any sort of thing you could talk about. There's a lot of moving pieces and some people are pushing for one thing. Some people are pushing for another thing and some people are pushing for many things in between those things. There's a lot of agendas at play. So a lot of times it's very helpful if you can trace back what's being said to the agenda and where this is coming from, what political camp is coming from. Sometimes I can help you suss out whether, whether even this is even valid or not. But at the same time, if, when it's

being spoken in a church, it takes on a different context. It's not just, oh, I'm weighing the political value of this. I'm looking at the facts. No, it's like it's, if it's being spoken in a church, there's an air of religiousness about it and it's like, okay, this is what God, the intention that the ministers are trying to put on this is like, this is what God thinks we should do or this is the course that God thinks we should go, are these are the people that God thinks are bad. And so what you're doing is,

is you're using a religious environment and religious pressure to shape people's political opinions. And this is very dangerous because, especially in a religious context, it's like if this is God, then we don't need to look any deeper.

If it's a politician, then you're probably gonna be skeptical. It's probably gonna be like, well, let me look at the facts, let me see what's going on. Who are these people you're talking about?

But if it's in a church, it's very easy for you to bypass people's defense mechanisms for that. And it's like, no, this is what God's wanting us to do, or this is what God is.

This is the feeling, this is, you know, I've been praying about this and I'm thinking of the thing and this is where God wants us to go. So yeah, things like that are very dangerous in churches.

And it's very problematic when these things start being introduced, especially, you know, I can't really speak for the inner churches because I've never been into one. But I know like for a message church, as an example that I can pull from, there is a lot of, there's a very thing we've talked about this before.

There's a heavy, heavy, you know, a school's are demonized. And learning things through school and being educated is very demonized, you know, because you're taught that, you know, the wise and prudent won't see these things and it's only the people who are, who are like extremely open to God and they're not so, they're not so learned that they can't see what God's really trying to do because he's gonna, it's so simple that if you know too much, you're just gonna miss it.

So it's even more dangerous in these contexts, but it's dangerous all the way around. But, you know, so jumping off of that, we can start looking into the context of what's being said here.

And a lot of times we don't focus on one person in particular, but this particular situation here plays out over multiple sort of spans of time. And to really get the context of what's going on here and to really show the through line, it really requires us to kind of focus in and kind of see this play out.

So one of the things that happens here is this particular minister, this NAR minister, he, at some point, and we don't quite have this clip, I've looked for it and I can't find it, but he says that he gives a prophetic word that Trump will win his second term.

He will win his election against Joe Biden. And as things went through the year, it was looking increasingly more like maybe that wasn't going to happen. And you have instances like in this clip where the minister appears to be trying to hedge his bets or roll things back in a way that, because if you bring yourself out to be a prophet and you prophesy that someone's going to win a presidential election, it's very easy to prove whether that did or didn't happen.

So, and that can affect the credibility of this person's ministry. So, you know, it's very interesting and fascinating to sort of watch these things play out, but let's roll into this next clip here and dive in a bit further.

I have a big word out there right now. I props. that President Trump would do two terms. If he doesn't do a second term, which is very likely right now, right, like from his natural, I have, I owe the world an apology because it wasn't a private word I gave to.

It was a word I gave to an entire bunch of people. And if that word doesn't come to pass, I am obligated to stand up and say, that was wrong, I made a mistake.

If there's any messes I made, I'm glad to clean them up. I mean, we have to have accountability. And it's not fun when you have to do that. And I've never had to do that publicly, thankfully, to this day.

But they'll come a time when it happens. And when it does, that we have to have the integrity say, I was wrong about that. And by the way, you have the right to say, I don't know if I'm gonna trust you, you're not a big prophecy.

And that's what happens when you miss it, is that there's the natural process of, oh, you got that one wrong, I wonder how many more you're gonna get wrong. And that's just, that is the normal process of community.

And we all have that when you break trust. And if that happens to me and it could happen, could happen to anyone, then we have to be big enough to be an example of, I got that wrong.

And that was a big word to get wrong. So like James said, we're not playing this person over and over because we're targeting him. And again, everybody knows who this guy is. I'm not gonna mention his name, but there's a reason why we don't.

And it's clear and the best clear example is that you cannot find the actual prophecy any longer. These NAR profits, the way that they work is whenever something highly critical comes out, they will target anybody who mentions it.

And they'll do take down notices on all of their content. I'm working with some people who are very heavily exposed in the NAR. And that's their focus. It's not mine, mine is the historical aspect.

But they have told me that it's quite a legal fight to battle these guys because no matter how the clip is used, even in the framework of fair use, they will come after you and they will take it down.

So we don't have the actual prophecy. Apparently it's been taken down everywhere. But we do have enough to paint the picture that this isn't thing that did happen in this prophecy. Obviously failed, Trump did not win.

But what this person is saying is not unique. Again, there were many, many, many ministers in the NAR and the message splinter groups. I've heard some of the message guys say this. Which in effect, I should pause and say that the NAR eventually if you trace their lineage back, it goes all the way back to this message thing.

It's the same foundation. So they in effect are a splinter group of William Brannum's message. But all that is... side. This was nothing unique. There were many men who were claiming this as prophecy. And the problem as Steve Montgomery pointed out and to the first or second podcast I did with him, the way that they do these prophecies and backtrack, whenever it fails, is they claim that it's a progressive revelation of prophecy.

In other words, we see just a little part of it. We don't see the full picture and it takes the combination of myself and all these other NAR prophets and the NAR prophecies that I'm going to give in the future to tell you your future. It's an ineffective fortune telling. And the problem is this is the esoteric way of prophecy. The esoteric strategy that is found in all of the occult and nosticism and the esoteric world is they claim that it's like a crystal ball that's dirty. We see part of it, but we don't see all of it. And therefore I'm

going to tell you a prophecy that's not quite correct. But it might be correct. And if it is correct, I'm going to claim that that was from God. But if my if my guess fails, well, my guess was just only in part. And we're going to see the fulfillment of what I saw later in another prophecy, which is the occult strategy because it's not a prophecy. It's hocus-pocus. And the Bible clearly says, how will you know if this is not a prophet of God? You check their prophecies. Did they succeed or did they fail? So these guys widespread

were claiming that the orange guy was going to become president and think of the fruits of that. So you look what's happening in the political world today. And I have to be very careful because if I even mention the event that happened on a specific date in January, which I won't, I will receive a bombardment of hate mail from this NAR slash message crowd. I did last time. I'll never do that again. You guys, if you want to think that that was a holy righteous thing that happened on a specific date in January, that's your political

opinion. It's not mine. I don't share it at all. But the fruits of this, if you ignore all of the politics and just think of what's happening, it is taking many people, a subset of America, many of which are Christian, and it's taking another set of people who claim to be Christian, and it's severing them, and it's severing them on the lines of politics. So in effect, if you go back to the Bible and examine these two groups, you have a movement that is severing the body of Christ. And I don't even have to tell you the many scriptures that talk

about this. This is a purely evil thing that is happening. Right. And you know, one of the things that's so interesting and fast. about examining some of these more, how do I say it, more mainstream, not as, the groups I'm familiar with, we wouldn't really be so, we weren't so public, we considered ourselves so isolated, and the isolation that our groups were in, was something that we took as a badge of honor, but groups like this are more public, they're more out there, they're more, they're movers and shakers and the political arena, a lot of them,

and, you know, it's, to me, it's so interesting to see that, because it's so night and day, you see one splinter group move out, and you trace their origins from Brannemann and they go, and they end up sort of in a public realm, and then the group that I was familiar with and in, you know, it goes into complete isolation, and you only have contact with the people who believe the exact same things you believe, and almost sister church is sort of thing.

So it's interesting from that standpoint as well, but, you know, one of the things that you see, especially as this minister is sort of trying to lay the groundwork for a prophetic word in his words that, very much looks like it's going to fail at this point in time.

I mean, this is back, and I believe August that this clip was from that we just watched, but it's something very similar to what Brannem would do. So one of the things that Brannem would do, and you can tell this when you examine his variations of his group of prophecies that he always talked about, the one where he would talk about a woman rising to power, and then sometimes it was the Catholic church, and then sometimes it was, oh, the women got the right to vote, and they voted in Kennedy, they voted the wrong man,

see, they voted the wrong man. So you look at this, and you have somebody like Brannem, for example, who he's repeating the same alleged prophecy over and over again, and each time he brings it back out, there's always a slight different variation to it.

It's, oh, it's a little bit different here, or C, it was Kennedy, C, it was the women got the vote, see this, that there's all these different things in all these ways in which they claim it could be fulfilled, so that what they're doing is they're laying a minefield, and whichever way you step, they get to be right if they play their cards well enough, and if you're not really careful in discerning what they're doing, but they're trying to lay all these different things down to where they can have an out for themselves, however, which way it goes.

And you see similar things happening here, with how this minister is sort of like prepping the thing, it's like, well, if it was in private, then I could have said it, I could have just went to Don and said, hey, Don, that was wrong, I got it wrong.

But now it's in public, so then I have to make it right in front of everybody, but the thing about it is, if these are Christian ministers, and they're going by, and if they're Christian prophets, and they're going by the Bible itself, you don't just get to be...

wrong with a prophecy, especially when it's supposedly the word of God. The word of God is not supposed to fail. And it's not, oh, you know, like Brandon would try to be like, I missed it, you know, there were supposed to be so many people at this meeting overseas and I got out of the no, no, that's not how it works. So, you know, it's so fascinating watching these people try to move and manipulate the people and sort of shift things to where at the end of the day, they can still be right or not as wrong as the worst case scenario. Exactly. It's really odd to

me that I have to break it down to adult human beings because it is such a simple concept that anybody who has not been manipulated in brainwash should understand. I mean, so I've got this book, which I don't know if you've read or not, I love Dilbert. This is one of my favorite books.

And I'm going to pretend that I am God. For this example, I am not saying that I am by any means, but I'm holding up this book and I can read to you what's happening on page 168 because I'm God. I'm all knowing. I know what's on this page. And you James can prophesy what's in it. And if you say vaguely, well, I think that the guy with the curtlenee tie is going to talk to some pointy-haired guy. Well, if he's not on that page, you can say, well, that happened in part and if I turn to page 328 where there is something like this, well, I'm God. I know what's on these pages

in the future, in the past, in the present. And you who are pretending to be a prophet are guessing. Well, that's what it is. It is guessing worse versus if you're a prophet of God and God is speaking through you. That's what a prophet does. Well, God is all knowing. He knows what's happening now. He knows what's happening in the future. He knows what's happening in the past.

And we've pointed out several times that if you look at the Old Testament prophecies, many, if not most of their prophecies, we're talking about things that had happened in the past. It basically was a progression of training for the children of Israel. The prophets would come and say, because you did this bad thing in the past and because you were joined into the law of Moses, which had blessings and curses, if you were good or bad, well, because you did this thing in the past, this is the curse that is coming. So most of them were targeted towards the past,

not a fortune telling, hey, some orange-haired prophets going to rise up and call himself Abraham. Yeah, and one of the things that's interesting as we're sort of moving beyond this clip, but it's something that did stick out to me is that one of the things that is in the background and also the title of this video is that they're using the tagline school of the prophets, so they're sort of like schooling people into being prophets and all this sort of thing.

But it's very interesting because that has a very interesting, that's a very interesting life of research when you, when you dig into random and stuff like that too, but you know, that, that's a whole nother thing and we probably should, that's a very big rabbit trail.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's just interesting to see these sorts of phrases keep popping up over and over again. So back to the book of Dilbert. If you want to be a religious study of Dilbert, this is a man who is saying that he knows on page 36 that, you know, Dilbert's going to do such and such and then when you find get to page 36, you realize, wait a minute, Dilbert didn't do that. And he's backtracking. Again, God knows what's in the book. If it was a prophet of God, God would be telling the prophet through the prophet's mouth, hey, this is what's happening on

page 36 of the book of Dilbert. I feel stupid having to break it down to that level, but there are people who are manipulated in these movements that have no idea what is prophecy. They have no idea. They just use the word loosely like a cannon and they're blasting walls that have been built for decades down. But so that's what this guy is doing. He's telling you, hey, I prophesied and, oh, it's okay, I get it wrong. Yeah, it's, it's crazy because, you know, one of the things you're seeing here with, with this, with this minister is, is he's, and you know, as I'm not calling him a

prophet. But, you know, one of the things you're seeing here is that he's sort of being like, hey, you know, it's like, it's more about your intention or it's like, hey, how, how right are you? Are you right more often than not? Are you, are you prophesying things? Hey, you're 95% right. So therefore you are a prophet, you know, is, is, you know, and it's, it's all these, these, these, always carving out these outs free for themselves. And you always see this with a random, and you see it with the prophets of today and these movements is that they're always trying to

carve an out. So it's like, hey, if I get it wrong, you know, don't try to use the scripture to say that I'm a false prophet, you know, is, hey, was I right last week? Was I right the week before that? Did, did, did I guess right? You know, and it's just, it's, it's so, it's so manipulative because, you know, one of the things that I was talking to somebody last week about, you know, because we were, we were talking about ministers who, um, who manipulate people. And I said, one of the things you'll see sometimes is you'll find ministers who very blatantly from the pulpit say,

if I'm wrong, God strike me dead. And I said, what's happening a lot of times in, in, in some of these situations, you have people who don't even believe God exists. And they're in, now sometimes you have people who truly believe that they are right, but you do have examples where people don't even believe God exists, but they know you believe God exists. And so they're playing on your belief in a situation where they don't even believe there's even a chance of them getting stricken from the platform. So therefore they'll say this thing to win, uh, win you over because you're

like, man, if he, if he was, Fervent if he didn't really believe what he said he would never have said that before in a million years and Similar things are happening here where it's like hey, you know if if if I truly didn't believe that I was a prophet I truly wasn't trying to get the leading of the Lord I wouldn't be up here doing this sort of thing but in so many situations you look at what's going on and and it's It's it's a little too lucrative and so you got to look sometimes to see what's going on behind the scenes and how some of these things sort of play out and

And there is incentive sometimes for some of these people to get up and proclaim to have a prophetic word So really James what it all boils down to is that term prophetic word Just thrown around in these groups like it is candy. I have a prophetic word. You have a prophetic word You too can have you can have a car. You can have a car. You can have a prophetic word It's thrown around like candy with these groups and in so much that that phrase itself becomes a Very strong dividing line severing the body of Christ. It creates an us versus them mentality

because Christians who are aware what is prophecy who Clearly understand what I said about the book of Dilbert The Christians who understand this realize this is no this is not a prophetic word But the people who are in these movements that some of them turn destructive and turn into destructive cults They don't understand that no, this is not prophecy. They believe they truly believe it is and it creates a dividing line of us versus them Christian mentality because when they hear Christians who understand what is prophecy telling them no, that's not prophecy. Well then they start to fight and

Verbo verbally sometimes physically much like they do in the politics and And I said at the beginning. I'll say it again This was a political movement. It was a political cult disguised as religion and if you trace it back to its early roots before Before there was even a laddering message before that progressed into William Brannum's message before progressed into I don't know word of faith the Kansas City prophets all of these things that sprung from this Initially you go back to the name. We've mentioned Gordon-Winrod. This was a political ideology that was targeting Franklin D. Roosevelt and there was a clear point in time in which all of these

Religious nut jobs were having all of these prophecies claiming that FDR had taken over was not suppose very much like very much like they do the Democrats today They said FDR has taken over. He's not supposed to be there. He's He's invaded our nation and he's working with the Communist. I mean, it's the same exact Verbige that they're using today in so much that the political parties and the political It's not the parties themselves, but the cult that built were built on top of the framework of the parties the actually flipped. So you see the white supremacists jump from the Democratic Party to the Republican

Party over all of this. And then you get, you know, into the 60s, you have the same thing happen again with Kennedy. They don't flip. But it's the same thing. They're having the same verbiage Kennedy has taken over. They've invaded our government. The commies have taken over.

They're repeating history again. Many of them not understanding that they are repeating history because unfortunately not many people study the history. And where you end up with all of this, like I said, you know, towards the beginning of this statement, it's creating divisive lines that is creating an us versus them mentality, which is the exact definition of a cult. Whether you're behind physical barriers that's separating you from other people in a commune or you have just mental barriers thinking, I'm better than them because I'm a Democrat or I'm a Republican.

If you have that mindset, you have a cultish mindset. And the fact that they're saying these things in Christian churches boggles my mind. You know, one of the things that when you look into some of this stuff and this is something that I've run across a couple of times, if I've been researching some of this stuff, is I've looked into see how Brandon was handing the politics of the time.

You know, because we know that he was taking a stand against Kennedy and things like that. And this podcast has looked in in previous times of maybe some of the reasons why he was taking a stance against Kennedy. But one of the things here that I thought was so interesting because it's sort of it definitely as we're sort of looking what was going on back then and then playing it into the day, this particular quote here from Brandon in December 7th of 1960, he says, the same cricket deal that the Democrat Party played in this last thing. Now that's right.

Now we're at, I'd, and the Republican, I would just, they're just as low down. But I'm talking about one thing as they proved, Jagger Hoover in California and many other places that those voting machines place to where you'd vote for Mr. Nixon and then it would, you'd vote for Kennedy at the same time. He didn't have a chance. Well, now that they've proved that that wrong, then what do they do? Sometime something about it. We're living in in the hour. That's it. We're at the end time. They know it. They proved that they were crooked and now they won't do nothing about it.

And I don't know about you, John, but I've heard similar things lately. Absolutely. You know, history repeats itself. It's plain and simple. You can go back all throughout time from a political standpoint, from a religious standpoint, no matter what is the problems of the era, which these quote-unquote prophets will tell you this is, this is exactly what happened in the book of Revelation. So we must be in the last days, right? Well, if you go back in history, just every cent- every, you know, throughout millennia. If you go back, you can find something that has happened

in the world that you'll find a group of people that say, this is the end time because this matches what we see in the book of Revelation. In so much that there are, you know, there are groups who are, they create their entire foundation on the book of Revelation because it creates a hate group.

And I won't, I won't get too deep into that because I'll get hate mail from all sides. But whenever, whenever you have a political cult, who is mixing politics with religion, and then they build the framework of their political hate speech on top of end of days theology.

It is a, it is a concoction for a very deadly thing to happen. And we've seen time and time again, these cults that they, many times they implode or there's government that gets involved.

What it becomes is self-fulfilling prophecies of doom. And it's really, it scares me. When I see NAR groups that are progressing to the level, to the extent that they're telling people, civil war is coming, prepare yourselves. This is a very dangerous thing that's going on.

You know, I lean more into more of these things as the more I look into is just like, I don't believe, personally, I don't believe that church is the place to be discussing politics, especially when you're mixing them with, you know, you're mixing it in a religious context. And, you know, whatever you're saying in the religious context, the, the idea is that God is behind what, the conclusion that we're coming to God is behind this conclusion. And the problem with so many of these people that we've examined is there's, there's other reasons that they come to the conclusions

that they do. It's not just, oh, this is what I think and some of them, it might be just what they think. But a lot of times there's outside pressures, outside political movements that are influencing what's going on. And when that's happening and you're just accepting what they're saying as though, okay, this is, this is the way, this is the direction God wants us to go. This is, you know, if we're going to have a, a country that survives in the next century, then, you know, we need to be heating what God says. And if God's wanting us to vote, you know, XYZ person in, then, you know,

hey, we need to be putting all of our, all of our effort behind it to make sure this happens. You know, and things get really weird really quickly. And, you know, there's so many different things out there. And you see, you see ministers and, and, you know, different backwards Southern churches repeating things that they heard on some sort of hyper conservative right wing radio, you know, and, you know, it's, it's, and they're repeating it in their churches as though it's, it's, it, this is, this is backed up by God. And it's just, it creates such a, it, it really blurs the lines

between religion and politics. And I don't think it's healthy for people in, in one sense, you're talking about fire and brimstone. And then you're talking about not voting in the wrong person in the next election it just really sets up a lot of really bad things and a lot of bad Presidents and churches and you know if if the wrong person gets in that sort of movement They can really steer things in the wrong direction and like you said bad things can happen and bad outcomes can be Can be done when you've got people Worked up into a frenzy and believing that they have righteous cause to back up where they're trying to go and the things that they can do with that

that feeling You can get quite dangerous very quickly. You know, there's a reason why the nation was founded on separation of church and state and You know I'm not gonna go too deeply with this again. I'm tired of the hate mail and I'll get a lot of it But um, you know the religious right you can't have it both ways They argue heavily whenever There is anything that does not agree with their Religious political agenda. Let's say there's a separation of church and state you can't do this We're separate But then they try to invade politics with their religion and they try to

From the other end do the same exact thing from the opposite direction and Again, I'm not gonna go too deep with this everybody knows what I'm saying who has a mind to understand But you know people will tell me that you are you're against the religious right Well, no, I'm not the the prophet Scott Adams in his Dilbert books One of the things he one of his books is called I'm not anti-business. I'm anti-idiot Well, I'm not anti-religious right. I'm anti-idiot You know not gonna go too deep with this all I can say is There's no place for this in a church just like you said and

The guys who are manipulating people to believe that their guesses are prophecies and then when their guesses are wrong to still believe that those guesses that were wrong are prophecies I'm not going to call them an idiot like Scott Adams the prophet Scott Adams called These business guys I'm not gonna call them an idiot, but in my opinion. They're extremely wrong misleading and Some of these guys are dangerous Not going to say that the one we've talked about today is dangerous. That's up to you. That's your opinion I have mine. I'm not going to share it

But some of these guys are dangerous and all you have to do is Just think with an you know put on the mind of a sixth grader If you're in sixth grade and somebody came up to to you and told you hey I just had a vision and that kid over in that corner is gonna kick a ball and it's gonna hit you in the head And you walk out there and it doesn't happen Well, are you gonna believe that that kid had a vision? I don't think so just put on the mind of a child and think normally and

Instead of this weird mess that we're in. But so I'm going to stop it there because I could talk for hours and hours and hours about the politics and the religion and the mess. If you want to know more about it, you can just study the history. We've put it out there and history is repeating itself again and again and again. In our research, I think we've gone through three iterations of what we're seeing now in politics, three of them since I think it was 1900 when all this began, 1800 and 70 I think is whenever we start to see all these things begin to build up and repeat. Well,

it's going to happen another time. After the orange guy is no more and we're not thinking about the orange guy and we're thinking about the next, maybe he's a blue guy. I don't know. We're going to see this history repeat again. So if you have weird doctrines that you'd like for us to discuss on the show, you can contact us on the web. You can find us at William-Branum.org. For an in-depth look at the dangers of being in these groups, read Weaponized Religion from Latter-Rain to Colonial Dignidad, available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.