Converging Apostasy: NAR Dehumanization and the Sacred Purge

Hello and welcome to another episode. I'm John Collins, the author and founder of William Brandham Historical Research at William-Brandham.org. And with me I have Steve Montgomery, the author of The Converging Apostasy, and a quick outline of hands-on eschatology, a matter of timing and agency.

And together we're examining the themes of apostasy in the New Apostolic Reformation and its history. Steve is good to be back and go through the sacred purge. And this is something that I'm specifically interested in because as you know I've been working on my manuscript on the Christian identity to the New Apostolic Reformation, that history trail.

And I'm getting into the themes of the sacred purge because as you have already discussed, the sacred purge is deeply embedded to Christian identity. And they used that to weaponize a pseudo religious purge of people with colors, people of color in the United States.

And so I'm really interested to get into this one because to the audience it's not just you that are learning from Steve. As we talk I'm picking up things too. Yeah John, good to be back as always.

I hope you don't mind, but the previous to getting started on this we're having to talk about comparing notes to the work that Dennis have done on her mouse. And yes, kind of like pulling teeth when you get into the sacred purge because it is painful but necessary.

So for today I was I was thinking about the idea of the humanizing language that's used to set up the sacred purge. And so for example, Jane lead 17th century prophet who influenced the the prophets of the latter way in a very significant way.

And then a big step sideways to the I guess you'd call on their spiritual cousins in the esoteric world. That would be Helena Blavatsky in the 1880s, extremely influential to esoteric new age thought.

And in a way even more influential is one of her disciples Alice Bailey, so the teachings of Alice Bailey people have rightly shown. I kind of run parallel to a lot of the eschatology and the ideas of humans becoming somewhat like divine creatures and over-efficists on angels and their interactions with people. This could all be found in Alice Bayley's writings, so it runs parallel with the manifest sons of God-type teachings, which I've noticed some people are kind of getting aware of that with a super. Another thing I was going to mention right out from the start here

is that the confusion over the books that some people, my books, some people have been noticing trying to get in them on Amazon, that's been cleared up, so smooth sailing, knock on wood, and all that stuff. Something happened last night, it's like this narthing just pies like whack-a-mo, keeps popping up everywhere in unexpected places. I'm happy to be watching one of the late-night interview comedy-type programs last night, and lo and behold, the host mentions Dutch Sheets, who's one of the NAR prophets. Now he was making all kinds of fun with his name and taunting and teasing with that. But his real point was to bring up the idea of the pine tree flags

that were present at the January 6th insurrection and the fact that these flags are indicating support of the stop to steal ideas. They're also present at the Supreme Court Justices Alitos, Justice Alitos House, so it's kind of a stopper working at the same least. So when I talk about the humanizing language, I would say like this, kind of like euphemisms, terms like cleans, cleans the earth, release the earth of all sin, eradicate the problems they were facing, those kind of phrases and terms are used for what is essentially murder, kill, and assassinate.

So it kind of comes with a different ring too. It's kind of like thinking, oh, this thing is $9.99 well aesthetically more than $10. I just another way to put it in words more acceptable.

And it's interesting that the humanizing loaded language, it really makes life cheapened, even if events of violence are carried out or not. And so whether or not the wording used is meant to be positive, negative, or neutral, it still has a way of taking a simple fact of you know, the presence of a human being and putting their existence into language other than just saying, this is John Collins, this is Steve Montgomery, you have these rewarded euphemistic comments that can either be positive, negative or neutral.

And this is to say the least, but in current day America is very easy to find ample evidence of exclusionary us and then dehumanizing language. And it's very dangerous. I know, you know, I'm a big fan of watching fiction and fantasy, et cetera, but also like some dramas and I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was a humanitarian aid that went into one of the Islamic countries and, you know, they're showing the terrorist groups, the extremism, the stuff that makes Hollywood exciting, but then the humanitarian aid goes into a small village and they see a school children that are being raised

where they're, the themes in their schools are targeting other people who aren't of their mindset. And so they basically grew up with these dehumanizing effects and what happened is it breeds terrorists. That was the theme of the movie and it's not just a Hollywood fiction that's actually going on in certain cases. That's why you have extremists and for that reason, I think you've probably seen, I think you might have been the one that shared it with me, but there are groups who have labeled the NAR as the Christian Taliban. And I said that in one of my podcasts recently and I got a lot of backlash, like you can't compare

those two, but you really can, whenever they're dehumanizing the people, they are setting up the framework to create terrorism. Because as soon as some child grows up under this theme, they're going to think like this and they're bad actors in the world. I'd just say it like that.

But I grew up with, interestingly, the dehumanization that was going on in the 50s and 60s, because I grew up on these recordings of William Brannum from Laterane. And so I'm hypersensitive to it because once you escape that and you recognize that that language was what the domestic terrorists were doing in the 50s and 60s, that's what I grew up with in my head. And it's so out of place, like it didn't have context to me until I started to examine what this was. And then I recognized it was the same thing, but it was done in the 50s and 60s. Now I take a step back and

I look at the NAR, they are literally cloning the dehumanization language, the whole strategy, and they're doing it from what happened in Laterane, but it's very similar to these terroristic organizations overseas. And this is a very, very serious thing.

you're speaking ahead of jot down a couple of things. Speaking of the 50s and 60s, one of the, you know, similar writings about brainwashing was done by Robert J. Lichten about totalism and indoctrination techniques.

And so he was using the model of prisoners of war and in communist China. And what techniques were used to break them down and rebuild them as communist essentially. So when he had to say about that, really, really feds what we're talking about in the dehumanizing language.

He had a phrase for it. I think he had something like six or seven points at which brainwashing and dehumanization happened. He would have called this dispensing of existence as if you don't exist.

You're not good. You're not one of us. So you're not even human. So yeah, that was a big deal, then. If anybody wants to check out his writings, they're very, very enlightening.

Okay, so yeah, so if we get to this kind of language where Jane leads specifically, and of course you gotta remember, several key prophets of the letter Rain essentially plagiarized her writings and got their eschatology from her.

And from the precedence she said. So here's some of the language that she used. It can be negative, it can be positive, but it kind of takes human beings away from just humans. So she said that the elite, I'm not quoting her with the word elite, but that's essentially what they are.

Delete are quote qualified souls, carcass, children of the divine mysteries, magical children, a select number, the seed of God, and the anointed ones. So even with the NAR and letter Rain, you can hear some of that same kind of language towards conquerors and the anointed ones and so on.

Here's something that gets a little bit more dangerous and such precedence for some issues that can lead to the sacred purge. Jane Leed would refer to your physical body as a mortal form, a chosen vessel, a prepared vessel, a bodily vehicle.

And right there she sounds really identical to Alice Bailey, who of course was writing a couple hundred years later in the esoteric robe. And so Leed also refers to bodies as corporalities. Interesting phrase, but she calls in our essential heavens as if all the divine reaching out into the universe and gathering powers.

are brought into our heavens, not heaven where God or Christ is located, and she also referred to mortal bodies as walls, as something that can be penetrated, and it actually uses that word penetrated for the spiritual realm, which she associated with the great cloud of witnesses. She also called them Spirits of Light, which is sounding quite esoteric, almost like Alice or Crowley kind of talk, but she says that the spiritual realm can penetrate into our essential heavens and break the walls, therefore be incorporated with the elite on earth.

One thing a lot of researchers miss is the fact that this is loaded language, pure plain and simple. In fact, another good resource you can read, Dr. Stephen Hassons combating and co-op mind control. He has an entire chapter or a few that actually go through that.

But what researchers miss is this. When you're indoctrinated in this framework, those key words that they use, like the chosen ones, in the message sect and its plenary groups, they called it the elect or the elect seed because of the two seed theology. Whenever your mind is manipulated into the mindset that has that loaded language, there's also the opposite. So while you're thinking elect, that means there must also be a non-elect.

So while you're an elect Christian, that means that there must be a non-elect Christian. In other words, you're better than they are. So it's very, very easy to miss if you weren't raised in this weird nonsense, but it is literally a strategy to pit you against other people. And many of those other people may also be Christian.

That is very well said, John. Again, I'm jotting down notes. One is just a kind of a flippant little note here. My wife and I came across a spoof of Chinese karate fighting type movies.

It's called Kung Pao. And the leading characters, he's really wacky, but he's the chosen. And he has this odd thing that indicates he's the chosen. When he sticks out his tongue, his tongue has a tongue which speaks. That's really wacky. But yeah, but yeah, that's fascinating what you're talking about there, John. One of my favorites is Zato Ichi, the blind samurai. I don't know if you've seen this, but this blind man with a sword who he'll go into a bar in Japan and then suddenly everybody's, you know, they're all purged out of the bar. But it's amazing when you think of, you know,

that as science fiction and I'm entertained by it. But when you think these Christian ministers are trying to paint those similar scenes in your head and then tell you that in the future you're going to play out some of this stuff. That's really scary.

So here's some examples of dehumanizing language from the theosophists and literally, she was a Satanist, Helen Blavatsky. This was written around 1888 when she had her, quote, the secret doctrine published. So here's what she has to say. In this language, again, it lines up with what John and I are saying about the dehumanizing language, the us and the them.

If we are the us and they are the them, well, that even goes back to the language of somebody who influenced Blavatsky and that is the second century, Nostek Valentinus. The way he put it was there would be, he had three sets of humans. It's very interesting because it kind of aligns with George Warnark's three feasts. So Valentinus said that the elect would be told by their personal angel and this would make them sinless and very godlike. There's a middle group that are kind of on the way that might make it, but they're not really the us there in the middle.

And then there's the no go, no show, and they will be, I've got this from several scholars and interpreting what he said, but scholars will say that the lower strength will be eliminated, destroyed, words like that, at the eschaton being the end of time. So yeah, we have something from Valentinus which comes up all the way to Blavatsky and then in different forms through the laterane of the gnar. So here's what Blavatsky had to say. Reincarnation is natural selections way of cherry picking who stays and who goes. The key would be that natural selection part.

It's therefore no surprise that quote, less favored failures of nature will vanish from the human family. Yikes. She also has this to say, that's because quote, no amount of training can raise such human specimens to the same intellectual level as the errands. Yes, she was one of those kind of folks.

This is because the highest people now on earth are the Aryan white conquerors. So if anybody has any doubts whether the off-right Christian identity, white supremacist groups are sometimes very, very well aware of Blavatsky, they're essentially saying similar things.

And of course, she was totally esoteric, but that's also why you have people like Wesley Swift who just like a spun soaking up stuff from Manifest sons of God lettering and from esoteric sources of Inspiration and she also has this essay which is again quite alarming In that this was pre-Nazi, Germany But a lot of her writings a lot of little societies cropped up in Germany Prior to the war and during the war This is what she says Nothing is ever destroyed utterly or finally Since the death of a man means but the disillusion disillusion of his temporary instruments or

vestures, so your body is this temporary instrument or a vestor and Well, if he gets you know taken out some time like somebody kills it No big deal. We've got reincarnation to make you feel better and also the fact that this is a temporary instrument you mentioned Valentines the Valentines I want to hone in on something a little bit further They tied this belief of the three types of people to salvation and It was tied directly because they were trying to make the leap between the human psyche and salvation and Because they were worshiping the

Sophia the goddess of wisdom they wanted to associate the psyche with the wisdom So if you were wise you were you were a believer you were saved if you were on the fence then You might be but you really we really can't say what you are and therefore you're a lesser being and then those who did not believe in your way That was the cast out well in latarane The it was the same exact framework. They would say there are three types of believers I believe a make believer and an unbeliever and what they were talking about was the Sophia of the latarane

You believed in this faith healing thing that they were selling you and if you believe that you had the secret knowledge You had the Sophia so that entire framework went through latarane and we see in an NAR They're just simply carrying the same exact thing forward Yeah, and and one of the reasons they Folks were really honing in on the influence of George Warren at the Feast of Tabernacles I mean, you know if you got a folks like John Robert Stevens He pretty much credits his introduction to the latarane doctrine to that that writing of George Warren

But yeah, it and it also has a parallel not only with Valentines, but In Alice Bailey's set of initiations and she's got a whole bunch is too complicated to describe animal, but essentially the third initiation in her wording brings on divinity, where you're in tune with the world's soul, and you have a higher connection with your psychic in psychic abilities and so on.

So, yeah, it kind of runs parallel with the later reign manifest sons of God stuff that was inspired largely due to, oh, and that brings up something, I can stub myself in mid-stribe there, Bill Mackenshtet found out through personal interviews that George Warnock completely thought that Jayne Leeds' prophecies were a quote of God, because Warnock really doesn't mention that in his writings, Bill Britton does, Jay Preston Evie does, George Houghton does, the leader of the later reign at the time, and also role Cronquist, who interestingly was John Robert Stevens, right-hand man, and he kind of broke with John, I think, essentially

over money issues, which, again, it just shows the priorities where these guys heads are up. But yeah, moving right into Blavatsky, she started the Theosophical Society, and was basically a Satanist. It's interesting to see something, a lot of people downplay this, and you get kind of a mixed bag of information, they'll say Blavatsky, oh no, she's totally into the spiritual realm, had no influence or interest in politics, the quote, taking dominion aspect of all this kind of business we're talking about.

Although she claims she didn't, the aftermath was political, and it really follows what she was saying, John, of the us and them, because Blavatsky had the idea and promoted this idea, we are it, we are the ones who have this higher form of knowledge, then yeah, there wasn't us and then, so if anybody was related to that concept and happened to be politically involved, then ideas like the sacred purge or taking dominion, of course, Blavatsky doesn't use those words, but same concepts, they come into play.

So I have here's a little title for this next part. Well, Blavatsky's influence helped to create India's current day Hindu nationalism. So we talked about Christian nationalism and some of the dangers of that here in the United States, while India is currently going through that kind of stuff. So I found this article called Theosophy is a political movement.

Again, not what a lot of people, registers, theosophy is having that connection. So in the article, it says that Babatsky provided Indian Nationalists with an ideology of a paradise free from the spiritual and social problems of modernity.

That sounds to me very much like the esoteric fascist and advisor to Vladimir Putin, whose name is Alexander Dugin. Okay, Dugin influenced a lot of the alt-right people, Steve Bannon has referenced him. So he's really got some dark stuff up his sleeve, but he's got the same concept of we're doing away with modernity and moving into this paradise, this lost golden age.

So the author of this article also says the golden age had come to an end as a result of disruptive effects of foreign rule. So now Indians need to revive their culture, purging it, and therefore liberating themselves, interesting language.

So here's another angle to that from a different author. And this article is called how Hindus, supremacists are tearing India apart. Now, we're not talking about too long ago, this was written in 2020, and in this article it says because of Babatsky's influence, Indian politics is being constructed entirely around the premise of exclusion, of deciding who can and who can't be a true Indian.

It's really interesting when you think about this in terms of the United States. I have friends who are in what I would consider Christian nationalism, and oddly they wouldn't consider themselves in that, but those very same people would see the Hindu nationalists or Islamic nationalists, any of the other countries, they would see the dangers in it, and they're very open to point this out, right?

Not realizing that they're doing the exact same things, but that's because of the manipulation and the religious aspects of this. They're manipulated to think that it is good, it is Christian, to be a Christian nationalist, and to break down the barriers that separate church and state, because of dominionism.

We as Christians, according to that philosophy, we need to take dominion over those who aren't Christian, and even some who are Christian, who don't agree with our worldview, and that's the whole framework for this, and the irony is just, it blows your mind when you think about it, but having escaped a mind-control cult, then...

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Yeah, and that idea of manipulation, what comes to my mind when you mention that John is the idea of repackaging. Why don't people recognize it's they're in the same thing? Is there a new iteration of the same doctrine?

So people nowadays, you know, and they're like, oh, no, we have nothing to do with the latter. That was very controversial stuff. Manifest sons of God. No, we don't teach that. But what happens is the terminology is changed, euphemized sometimes.

So to me, what I look at is, well, an easy example of that would be, quote, taking dominion. Norfolk's nowadays try to talk about either the seven mountains or just influencing society, but the way they do it gets the same result.

So here's some more about this, this Blavatsky influence, Indian nationalism. So Narendra Modi is the Prime Minister of India's right-wing government. So he's a very influential man in India, obviously. One of Modi's officials called Bangladesh immigrants, quote, termites, here should be picked up one by one and thrown into the bay of Bengal to drown.

I think we've heard terms like that directed towards immigrants here in the United States. And no need to mention where those terms are coming from, but termites is not a good term, it's something a term for a human being.

And so these extremists that feel this way about immigration and they're essentially radical folks in India today, they're called extremists. This is scary. Those folks who have these concepts like let's deal with these termites, they have, according to the Solter, at least four million volunteers who store oaths of allegiance and take part in quasi-military drills.

It sounds kind of like the militia guys associated with alt-right and Christian identity today. So here's another article that it found, it's called alternative histories, like alternative facts. Yeah, probably. Alternative histories, observing the esophical truths in Hindu nationalisms.

So it gives us this insight, it says that through Blavakis influence India's restoration of identity, it includes the concept of Aryan ancestry, which became a tool of right-wing nationalism. Well, there's a lot to unpack there and so many parallels to what we see happening in the United States, not only with Christian identity, but obviously with the NAR.

Indians therefore have a clear choice, okay? There's us and them either right or wrong. They can either swear allegiance to the Hinduite fuzz or they can retain their beliefs thereby making themselves fit for destruction.

Now, if you talk about euphemisms or tone-down loaded language, destruction doesn't mean they will have their heads topped off or they will be shot. I mean, it could mean that, but it doesn't state that, but that's where folks that are really interested in implementing this so-called sacred purge have a way of taking words like that and defining them more explicitly and more dangerous.

There's a name here. I think you've run into John that really influenced a lot of the Christian identity fuzz. So it's pretty much no surprise that the Hinduite ideas were supported by the Blacks feet of Vatsky inspired, esoteric, fascist, and Hitler in Jesus, Savitri Devi, who is praised by the alt-ride in by Christian identity advocates.

I think it's in our weaponized religion series on the podcast. We actually talk about how British Israelism made its way into India. And you see all of the fruits of what has developed from this and the irony is just astounding because when you think of what developed in the United States and how that went into the race wars of the 60s, well, when you picture that happening in other countries too, under the same foundation, it just- it blows your mind, you know, especially people in India have dark skin. But that just goes to prove it's not so much about the skin color. This is a means to manipulate people into

an ideology that puts them against other humans. And the whole framework of this is just, it's really scary stuff. It's awful. But you're mentioning the Nazis. That's another thing that just boggles your mind when you think of what Hitler did and you think of how he weaponized some of the themes that we're talking about in this podcast and in the weaponized podcast.

They were literally the Nazis were using the same exact framework to create genocide for the Jews. Well, imagine that's coming through the laterane. Some of the same exact themes. Now they didn't create a genocide. They didn't purge people. But they planted the notion in somebody's head that there is a there is an us and there is a them. And we're better than them. This could have actually developed to that had certain people in the laterane movement not died.

Yeah. And one of the guys, it really comes to mind there. Actually, a couple of guys, the chief apostle of the laterane, George Houghton, who I had a correspondence with him. We talked on the phones in time. He was getting pretty old by the time I got a hold of him.

And then we corresponded by letters, no emails in those days. He says he says things that really, really lend themselves to British israelism. And also, if you if you go to Royal Crown quest and to J Press and the EB, who were very, very much influenced by Jane lead, they say things. We might have mentioned this before, John, but they talk about pre-ademic men and that the teachings of the manifest sons of God and the sonship message, so-called support this idea. And Taiki, Taiki, Chris is another one who actually is one of those who he has new age thought and sonship lettering thought running side by side.

And he's he's aware of it. And he talks about George Houghton, Bill bread, and this being these great men of God. And he also talks about that many people in a sonship message or advocating something along the lines of a pre-ademic man was kind of a lower form, a specimen of humanity, as Bob Aski would have said. And then you've got the us, which is those who will be Christ did become a manifest as a sonship.

God. So we can take this to the next level, which is more recent. And this is dehumanizing language from the New Age author and Luciferin. And yes, it's very clearly writing. So you think Lucifer is the dude. And Jesus is kind of secondary. And that would be Alice Bailey.

So a couple of things, disclaimers about that is some people feel that if you use the word New Age, you're kind of like a conspiracy theorist. Well, Alice Bailey used that word quite a bit. And she was the one that said we must work for the New Age and the reappearance of the Christ. And she literally said world government, theocracy and so on. So it's kind of enlightening to think that her writings came between 1919 and 1949. And she was like Bovaski and anti-Semite.

So you can see that the esoteric world is again supporting concepts, which you can trace all the way back to Valentinus. That would lead to not only us and them, but would define them as nonbelievers, but also specifically as Jews. So here's some of her dehumanizing loaded language. She says that our bodies are human mechanisms bodily forms in vehicles of expression. One of my wife's least favorite Beatles songs is baby, you can drive my car.

So it looks like a vehicle of expression. Is that all I am? I mean, if so, then my wife is probably going to have to talk to me about changing that. And this is something that Bailey's trying to take on this, I don't know, a different form of language to make her sound high in mighty.

You'd recognize the terminology here, John. She says, how oft have I told you that all energy all is energy and there is not else. Okay, so if all is energy and you're just a bodily form, you can kind of put two and two together and you'll see that she does shortly here.

But this is what happens when people do research and they only get that much. They'll say, that could be bad, but wait, if you keep on reading, Bailey will fill in the gaps and make those vague terms more explicit. She says, or I'll show you where to quote this, therefore those who resist the establishment of the new age will be, quote, are cultly withdrawn, aka abstracted. So John, I know we're talking about dentist issues, but I don't know if you've ever had a tooth abstracted, but it sounds painful.

And so, here's another one she says, they will have their vibrations stepped up to better things, even if their physical vehicles are destroyed in the process. That's a direct quote. Okay, sounding more and more ugly as we go here.

This is because occult law is destructive as well as constructive. Not to go deeply into it, but that's straight up Bill Britton lettering talk. The day of the Lord is destructive and constructive. That would be the way Bill Britton would put that one.

Bailey says, so another surgical operation, one other than what worked to, may be necessary. That sounds pretty ominous to me. And so she says, when a physical form proves inadequate, it is no disaster when that form has to go.

Well, I would be worried about who's deciding when and if it has to go. At the appointed time, the soul will know that it's time to withdraw from their bodily form. That's because the service of the form will no longer be required, so it must be discarded.

Well, if you've read any more current, this is like a set up to about 1949. If you've read any more current new edge writings, they do talk about this need for a mother earth to have a cleansing operation that will allow bodies that have kind of served their purpose to be withdrawn.

Now Bailey actually says that Christianity's failure is their connection to Judaism and Jehovah. So it sounds like we're kind of in the target of those you must be discarded. According to the fulfillment, this is pretty odd from Bailey.

According to the fulfillment of the ancient prophecy, she doesn't say what it is, there has been an attempt to destroy the alien race. I've heard Wesley Swift say that, and so also I have to say to that is say what?

An attempt to destroy the alien race? What the heck is she talking about? And some only thought here is can it get any worse than this? I'm trying to picture somebody who has never experienced any of this, listening to the things that we've just said.

I can't believe that we're hearing vibrations and angels and purges in a Christian conversation. But to those of us who were raised in this, this all sounds spiritual. It sounds Christian because they manipulated our heads to think that we need to look for angels and demons and we need to look for vibrations and they head like...

You've seen the video of the vibrating hand. This is how I know that you have this disease or one of the tricks I recently was talking about was before the vibrating hand, I don't know if you knew this, but there was the purple hand.

And what they did, the faith hailers would put a rock under their underarm and they would squeeze real tight so it cuts off the circulation and flow and their hand would turn purple. And they say, look, I have a purple hand.

So therefore I can heal you. You know, all of this stuff has nothing to do with Christianity but we're manipulated into thinking that it does and we're looking for these. I mean, these, it goes beyond esotericism.

These are demonic things that we're talking about but they have taken the demon, very demonic forces of the ancient world and they're trying to package it together with Christianity where it sounds like a new thing.

It's a new wisdom, it's a new Sophia and only the elect have it. You have to be of that mindset and then by default the non-elect do not have it. They don't understand our angels and demons and vibrations and weird stuff and therefore we're going to be the ones to purge them from the earth.

Yeah, so true. And so to answer my rhetorical question and like I say, yes, it does get worse, hard to believe but by these two most similar works really began right as the latter reading was beginning.

So hey, I haven't made direct connections between that but it's kind of ironic kind of interesting. One was the externalization of the hierarchy in 1948. That one externalization is essentially saying there's a spiritual hierarchy and in the Bible they might, you know, it'd be reference to powers and principalities that possible polish writing about essentially as you said, demonic forces.

So what Bayley's talking about is similar to Crowley is a portal is to be opened and these beings are going to come down and as Ruth Montgomery, thankfully, no relation. Ruth Montgomery was a disciple of Bayley.

She said that there would be, quote, walk-ins. Those were people who turned over their bodies to these folks from the hierarchy, these highly evolved beings and then they will help to inaugurate the new age.

And so Bayley's in this 1948 work and also she had another one, the reappeudence of the Christ, that was in 1947. I have heard Wesley Swift in a message, he calls it, I think it's something about

do the, do the Gospels support the message of identity? Well, they're pretty similar. Somebody has this to say, I know I'm putting a lot of parenthetical thoughts into this, that Bailey says something here, that the Jane influenced J. Preston, E.B. also says, is quite disturbing. She says that there were great and outstanding personalities.

Okay. What do you mean like Einstein, Fred Douglas, maybe George Washington, you know, those would be outstanding personalities. Now, Herles is a bit different. She includes the great men who inspired the French Revolution. So, John, you like history, you ever read about the Robespear and his Galatines. He kept those Galatines quite busy.

Okay. The second person she mentioned is Mussolini, the regenerator of his people. Wow. Third person Hitler who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders. That is pretty bizarre. Ford Lennon, the idealist, and five, the dictators Stalin and Franco. She says that all of these men were expressions that even is not personal. She's calling them an expression.

They're expressions of certain level understood in Jesus. That sounds kind of complimentary. They're highly developed personalities, agents of destiny, and destroyers of what must be destroyed. And so likewise, those who are not sufficiently developed in their spiritual journey, and this is where you were talking about John the Ascent then, those who are not sufficiently developed will be sent to their next life in a global cleansing action.

And there you have a trail of really bad people. And again, how is this related to the NAR? How is it related to Christianity? Well, in the latter reign movement, many of those same people were in the same trails. I grew up listening to sermons. I don't know if I've told you this or not before. You may have heard it, but I grew up listening to sermons where you know the painting of Jesus knocking at the heart's door that it's in several Christian homes. Well, I grew up with sermons talking about when Hitler knocks at the door. How special that would be. That was in latter reign.

That's something that they literally there were sermons talking about. How wonderful it would be if Hitler knocked at our door. We would just raise up to go greet him. It would be so wonderful.

And you know, because you're so manipulated, I knew Hitler was a bad guy, but you're so manipulated, you're like, oh, wow, that is such a great sermon about Hitler knocking at the heart's door.

What this thing has done, it has taken very, very bad people and bad ideologies, but it's built upon those bad ideologies and called it Christianity. And so there are elements from what Hitler did to bring the people under mind control that they have to use in these cults, because that's how you manipulate people.

And Hitler showed that you can manipulate an entire country of people. So let's use his ideas. And they'll take his ideas and they'll run with them. And they'll pick from all of these other people.

Well, new age people are doing it, spiritualists are doing it. Interestingly, that we have Christians today who are doing it. They're doing the same thing. Then it has no place in the world, let alone in Christianity.

Yeah, and that's pretty much fitting what I have to title of my book, Conversion, the Conversion of Policy, is the lines between those who have these Seminole foundational new age writings like Blavacki and Bailey and Ruth Nagarmry.

Those folks, their ideas are becoming closer and closer. So I would say if anybody's interested in that, they could check out the Chris CRISP, their good seeds, publications, because they go into this kind of stuff for quite a bit and connect.

They notice the similarities between the age and lateranish kind of ideas. So I just have to say this, that Alice Bailey likes to talk about death a lot. So here's a few quotes. And this will fill out the gap between those instances of dehumanizing language.

And what you do about that, where does that go? Well, in the sample, you can find that, again, with the Hitler connection, totally into the laterane manifest sons of God, doctrines, and into George Warnock's The Feast of Papyrnacles, that would be John Robert Stevens.

There's a really excellent documentary, if any of the years would like to see, it's called Vane Galore. And that's about John Robert Stevens, called The Walk. And I talked to one of the authors of that script, one of the guys, producers, who put that together.

And he told me very plainly that there were elders in John Robert Stevens' group, his laterane group, that said they were going to collect guns to finish the job that the Hitler... started. And actually the person I mentioned earlier, Savitri, she, her pro-hitler, thoughts run really deep. So that's something you could probably even google that and get it off a Wikipedia. But here's some, here's some final thoughts, John, about Jane, I'm excusing about Alice Bailey's terminology, how she treats words and loads language. She says, death is not a disaster to be feared since the work of the destroyer is not really cruel or undesirable.

This means that certain methods of release and modes of abstraction, such as soul, withdrawal, and the process of a liberation in release will be applied to death and dying. That is just loaded to the brim with everything other than saying, assassinate, kill, murder, but it's all there.

If you put it into context of your other ideas, as a matter of fact, there is no death only freedom from the handicaps of the fleshly vehicle. Interesting. So the problem of accepting euthanasia will not exist when continuity of consciousness negates death. There's no death.

So hey, if we decide you need to be euthanized because you're not longer of any use to the new age or the kingdom of God, then we can euthanize you and then you'll be gone, you won't be a problem. She actually referred to the problem as germs, germs on that are infecting mother earth, that must be cured and eliminated. So she says, after all, the worst death of all is if the old order never alters. Therefore death can be easily grasped by the esotericists as the birthplace of the new order. How does this new order compare? This is me speaking. How does it compare with the

kingdom to be ushered in by the prophets of the narr? It's just so messed up. It's like if you took the George R. Wells book 1984 and then used that as a framework for creating a religion.

That's how it compares to the narr. These groups have, they've taken something that is such a wrong idea, not even by just simply Christian standards, but by human standards. This is wrong. This is not, this is not the way to be, especially for Christians, but they've taken the things that the whole world, even atheists know that this is wrong, but they're packaging it as, as Christianity.

And the fact... that they can manipulate minds into thinking that this thing that they have gotten from these very, very bad sources is actually of God. Just boggle your mind. Yeah, and the thing about Alessabella, I mean, there's several labels you can give her, like a new age author, whatever.

She referred to herself as a Christian esotericist. And there's really not much different in what she means by esotericist and what lettering manifests on as God and our folks will call profit. Or I think it's interesting, Johnny, maybe seeing this term, seer, S-E-E-R.

Oh, yeah. So yeah, we've got seers. The profits are actually seers. That sounds like something from the pagan world just to my ears. Yeah, one of the eye-opening things for me after I left this type of movement.

And I started just simply reading the Bible, cover to cover over and over again. I did it like 10 to 15 times. Biggest, most interesting thing for me is the perception of what they called a seer or a profit.

Because they want you to think it's more like a fortune teller. This is a guy who can predict futures. That is what they call a profit. It is a guy who is predicting a future.

But if you go back and you look at the Old Testament profits, there was the mosaic law. And in the law, there were provisions for blessings and provisions for curses. And then if you follow the trail through the book of kings, you're gonna find that a good king rose into power and he fell into idolatry.

And therefore, the curse was coming. And so it wasn't so much that they were predicting a future. It was that they were telling why there was a consequence. And sometimes there would be a blessing that would come.

And here is the reason for your blessing. So it's not that it was this crystal ball person that you could go to and you could say, hey, I want to know who is the next president?

Like these NAR prophets are doing. This was literally a voice speaking to God about something that you did to either correct you and turn you to the right path or to give you a blessing because you were going on the right path.

And realizing that for me made me understand that this whole movement wasn't Christianity. But anyway, there's so much more we could do, Steve. We've got to cut it off and we'll get back together next time and go through it.

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