Weird Doctrines: Be Kind to the Cult ... or ELSE!!!

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at William-Branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, James Goad.

And together we're discussing the very weird things that preachers say, why they say them, and how they relate back to the laterane healing revivals of the late 1940s through the 1960s. James, you picked a doozy of a topic today, and we've got a couple of parts, but one part you'll be pointing fingers directly at the old me, so be like you're digging up dead, dead dry bones, but part of this, you know, it feels so awkward because I grew up as cult royalty, and we were the kings and queens of our castles. If you knew one of the leaders of you or whatever is your splinter group of the laterane, or they called it the

message, the people who knew the central figures, they were cult royalty, and they had a dignity that other people didn't have, and I had this weird thing, and I'll never forget, I came to Jeffersonville, and I was, you know, with a bunch of other kids, and these were normal cult kids, quote unquote, normal, and when people would ask me who I was, because of the cult royalty, I would say I'm Willard Collins grandson, and I never forget this one girl looked at me, and she just, she kind of laughed, and she said, well, hi, Willard Collins grandson, do you have a name?

And I realized at that moment, that's not right. I should have said John Collins, and I felt like a fool, and rightly so, I should have, but there's this cult royalty that you try to maintain while you're in it, and you want that connection. You want to be connected to the guy who knew the guy, and the whole thing is just so absurd, that it, you know, it builds the cult structure, and I think today we're going to get into how that structure gets built a bit.

Yeah, and this, these topics that we were going to kind of take a look at here, it's, it's something that, oh man, it's so destructive, and it's put out in a way to make it seem like some of these doctrines that they're talking about, to where they don't seem on their face, so, uh, But the way that you end up having to talk about other people that are outside your group and the way that you are sort of, you know, giving them an in into heaven.

But it's still not the kind of in that you have, you know, you're still special, you have something more than they do, and they're just lucky to be in your presence for the most part.

It's very, man, it's very hard to go back and look at some of these things sometimes, but it's definitely something that I think is worth taking a peek at and just kind of lifting this up and seeing what's going on underneath here.

Yeah. I, you know, like I say, I was in the Colt Royalty side of things, but there were people who weren't and they, you know, the royalty they like to pretend that it flowed through you.

Like it was flowing through your veins, I think, is the way that they preach it, which is utter nonsense. I guess it might be tied to the serpent seed, the flowing through your veins part.

But they had this thing that we're going to get into where you were this elite group of people and you were the royal seat of Abraham, however they wanted to use the loaded language to call you.

And then if people were nice to you outside of that inner circle, well, they might get a blessing because they were kind to you. And that doctrine while it's, you know, it's good for people to be kind to one another. I don't, I don't discredit that.

But on the flip side, if say you got engaged in a business transaction and the person who was doing business tried to make money as a normal business and didn't give you a discount, for example, well, you would see that as an unkind thing because he didn't give you money off because you're this elite. And then you would be very unkind to him.

And, you know, I've got examples of people doing that kind of thing, but it flows through the whole movement. There's, there's this strong, I don't know what you call it. So the righteous indignation against other people who weren't part of your group, I guess is the best way to put it.

You felt honored in insulting them. And that's the flip side of this doctrine we're getting into. You have on the one side, those who are kind to you, well, you give them your blessings.

But those people who sometimes are just acting like normal people or if they might disagree with you on some specific doctrine, well, the wrath of God comes out of your mouth against these people.

Right. And, you know, this, this first clip that we're kind of going into here, it's very interesting because I think it kind of helps set the stage of sort of how people are viewed that are not in the group.

And it gets kind of messy sometimes because at one point, a minister might say something that sounds, oh, that sounds kind of nice what they're saying about people are not in the group. But then you get the larger context and you get a lot.

you know, listen to him for a long and a period of time, you start hearing all the things that aren't always said. And then in these sorts of things, when they talk about heaven and people's roles in heaven and what people have earned in heaven, things start getting pretty weird and it's not a very good look, but let's roll into this first clip here and dive in a bit further.

Oh, praise Lord, heaven bound people. I love preaching to heaven bound people. I preach to a bunch of hell bound people in my life. I already don't want to do any tell. It's a really sad thing.

Whenever you have to preach to people, it's going to hell. And they don't care. They want to go to hell. Or at least wise, they think today. If they'd really be able to look at it realistically, they wouldn't want to go with it.

Now, and I'm so grateful that the Lord has helped us to be able to see, we don't want to go. We don't have to go. Praise the Lord. But brother Donnie, what if I'm not bright?

You still don't have to go to hell if you're not bright. If you want to go to heaven, God has got to make a way for you to get there. Amen. Well, well, I live.

Well, that's according to where you live and all that election of God and all that stuff. I'd rather live outside the city and have eternal life to be in a lake of fire and be destroyed when you're in heaven.

I met a loss for words, man. As a preacher, you got like one job. You go after the law. That's right. It is your one job. What are you doing, man? You know, I was for the manuscript for the book that I'm writing on the NAR.

I was going through some of the history of the destructive theology in the groups and how it kind of morphed over time into this weird thing we have today. And I really didn't catch it while I was going through the history the first time, but around 1948ish, whenever the Latter-Ein revival broke out, there was this weird sentiment that Pentecostalism was the first wave of revival.

And it was basically setting up the stage for the worldwide revival, the global revival. And these ministers who were part of this as that began to fade away, they turned really bitter against people who didn't join in or who had problems with these quote-unquote faith healers.

And so they started saying things like these people, they made their final decision back whenever the Latter-Ein revival happened. And now everybody's doomed to hell. And what it became was this inclusive group where you didn't try to go after the lost.

Instead, you would quote these Bible passages way out of context like it is for your children and their children as far off as the eye can see. I grew up sermon after sermon here.

and that stuff, man. And what it's essentially saying is, it is for you and your family, and there's no need for you to go witness to the lost and bring them in. And me as the preacher, I have a gravy job because I don't have to try to save the lost.

I can just tell you guys the things that are the rules and then keep reminding you of the same rules over and over and over and over. I don't even have to study the Bible to know how to reach the lost, right?

So this whole thing gets so messed up and that comes directly from the Christian identity flavor of Latter-Rain. Man, there's so many things here. There's two things in particular that kind of really stand out to me.

You know, just the minister himself saying, he hates preaching to hellbound people. And there's so many things wrong with just that, the thing he said there, just alone. Because one, he already knows that someone's hellbound without knowing their soul, without knowing anything.

So he is in this situation, he is God passing judgment on the person. He knows that they're going to hell. And because he knows they're going to hell, it almost appears like it's a waste of time to this minister to even exert any energy towards speaking to this person, which seems very destructive and very upside down, especially like you said, if these ministers are supposed to be preaching the gospel, your duty is to bring light to the lost.

And so that sounds like it's completely against the mission statement of that set forth in the gospel. And then even going further in, when it starts getting closer to home inside the own congregation, everyone assumes that they're in the elite group.

They believe the message of William Brandham, so therefore they are what is considered the bride. In a message context, you have to, in a message context, you have to believe the word of your hour and that word, the word of your hour was presented by William Brandham.

And so therefore the minister that's over your church is propagating that ministry. So you have to believe your minister who is in turn repeating William Brandham. And that's the word for your hour. And if you don't believe that and you don't live by that, then therefore you're not bride.

And so that's something that torments a lot of people in the movement because there's all these rules and regulations and we've gone over this before. There's so many contradicting statements in Brandham's own ministry that if you line up to one statement, the other statement you're not lining up to.

And so people are constantly in this thing of like, I don't even know if I'm bride. I, you know, because this thing is almost impossible to up to, but they're told it's perfect, it's infallible.

So therefore they, if they are bride, they should be able to live up to it. And so they're so tormented. And then this minister makes the statement, you know, in sort of, in, the voice of like a person in the congregation, well, what if I'm not bright?

And he said, it's better to live outside the city and not be bright and still go to heaven. And it's just like, it's so destructive and it's so hurtful to people because you got people that a lot of times they're drawn to these movements because they're looking for something that they wanna have a better life, they wanna live right.

And so they get caught up in these things. And then the entire thing that they're trying to wrap their mind around is literally imprisoning them and hurting them and causing them pain because they're reinforced to live up to something that is just baloney to begin with.

And when you really take a step back and look at it, they're preaching a different Bible because the Christian Bible says, for God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, it's not for the only the elite group.

I don't even use the word bride when I talk about this anymore, it's elite. They're an elitist mindset. And they're trying to change the passage where it says, for God so loved the elite that He sent His only begotten Son.

And in doing so, it creates a different Bible, but worse than that, it also creates a different God because the God of His altered Bible passage that He has invented is so powerless to save the lost that He knows for certain they're going to hell, like you said.

But He doesn't leave room for God to save them later. And I've set through many different churches of denominations that aren't cold after leaving. And the theme that you hear from all of them, it's very consistent across all of the different flavors of Christianity.

They will pray for the lost. And they will never decree that they're going to hell. Instead, they'll say this person is going through hard times or he's in a situation, he's in a situation.

Let's pray for her as a group that God will save her soul and leave the hope and leave the door open for them to be saved. And in doing so, he's inviting the lost to come to heaven, come to Jesus.

But what this minister is doing and ministers like him, they're closing that door. If you're going to hell and you're sitting in this, if you're in this room and you don't believe that you're saved, you're not a Christian or whatever, we don't want you.

Get out. We do not want to preach to you. And I can assure you that if you are in that situation and you're in that church, you have no desire. Because if heaven looks like that, I would choose, this is the mindset that these people have.

They would choose the other side, right? So it is not reaching the lost. It is not helping anybody. And I think it was Martin Luther that was talking about the hell doctrine whenever he escaped the Catholic church.

You Catholics are always preaching this hell thing and I don't have a single person in my church that wants to go there. So why would I preach about it? Well, that's what the guys are doing.

man. What are their congregation even care what he's saying about this? He's not preaching to them. He's preaching as a way to close the door for people not to come to Jesus essentially. Right. And it's all these things that ministers cling onto in this movement to, because you're right, it is the elitism. This is what makes us special. This is what makes us called out even more than what the Bible says about being a called out people. This isn't even more special calling. This isn't just the general masses who just say, oh, I believe in Jesus

and I read my Bible. No, these people in this group, they believe in William Branum and they read the message, which is Branum's teachings and his sermons. And that makes them special because they believe a special word for their day. And it's so anti-scriptural, extra-biblical. And I know it's been, you know, we've gone over it and you and Charles and others have gone over a lot of these things and really exposed a lot of this stuff in great detail. So we probably shouldn't go too deep into it here. But, you know, it is. It's really tough to see, especially growing up

in churches like this and hearing ministers say these things, you know, it warps your mind because, you know, there's people that are around you that, you know, they don't go to your church. They don't, they don't, it's not only do they not go to your church, maybe they go to what many people would consider a normal church. And there, as far as you can tell that they're good people, but then you're told because they don't believe what you believe, doesn't matter how much they love Jesus, how much they want to live a good life, they're still going to go to hell. And

maybe the only consolation prize they get if they're good enough people, they won't be inside the city with the rest of God's chosen. They will be outside the city in the millennium. And it's, it's like, it's like, whoo, that's a, that's a lot of negative stuff to put on a child's mind. And there's many children that grow up in this movement here in these things. And it really makes it hard to look at people and interface them in a normal way because you're looking at them going, I know you say you love Jesus and I'm a good church, but my pastor said you're going to go to hell.

Yeah, it creates an elitist mindset. These people, you know, whenever you convince people that you are quote unquote, bride or whatever, again, I don't use that term anymore. I just use elite. They're the elite, elitist group. Whenever you train your children to believe that they are elite and every one of their peers are not, well, the child's mind is immediately going to be thinking about the reasons why they're not. And they're going to see themselves as better as those people.

And in the Christian world, this is not the way it works. You grow up as one of everyone and you hope that everybody gets saved. You don't... You do not hope that your little group is going to be saved while everybody else is cast in the hell.

And I said earlier, it ties back to the Christian identity, flavor of Laterane, because what they were teaching, this word, bride, for example, they were teaching that the United States and Canada were part of the lost tribes of Israel.

And so every single passage from the Old Testament that applied to the children of Israel, they applied to themselves, and they took many of those verses out of context. In fact, some of the verses, they would say if there was an ancient prophecy about Babylon, for example, well then they would tie that to Babylon had the overloaded language of the Catholic Church.

So they would tie to the Catholic Church, or there's the Assyrians, there's all these different peoples. Well they would apply these to modern world, modern countries of society today or in their era. And the problem is, they're taking them out of context, but even the word bride, if you go back and look at like Ezekiel 16, it clearly talks about the bride being Jerusalem.

And these people, because they have that mindset of this Christian identity notion, they try to apply those passages to themselves, and there's no way to do it without rewriting the Bible. What you end up with is a completely different Bible.

Right, and in this context you end up with Brannum's Bible. Brannum's version of the Bible, which is, you know, it's fraught with so many errors. We don't have time to go through all of them today, but there's many, many episodes if you've got the time to go back to some of the early episodes.

But it's definitely interesting, especially as you roll into this next clip, because this minister kind of goes in a little further here, and really starts talking about this little further. And what's interesting also, too, is that in the first clip, what he's building a lot of his view of the Maliam on is Revelation 20.

And then in this clip, he's talking about Ezekiel's vision of the temple being rebuilt. This is while Israel is exiled in Babylon, and Ezekiel has this vision of the temple being restored. And so what's interesting is how the minister is using this.

And the reason why the minister is doing this is because this is what Brannum did. This is what Brannum taught, and this is typing, you know, both things are connected. And you see this a lot in message circles where they'll tie anything together in the Bible, whether it should go together or not, the old tie just anything from everywhere.

And you end up with these really interesting, really weird things, and really weird doctrines and conclusions. And it's tough when you're in the group, because your taught this is the word of... our day. So you don't question it. If you read the Bible, and you say this scripture doesn't seem to match up with this one, but then you're telling me they go together, but you're told, well, just put that on the shelf. If you don't understand it, God will reveal it to you later because it's done this way to hide it from normal people because we are

special and work it. And the special people will see the truth. So, and that's what also makes people think that also maybe they're not the chosen people because they're sitting there struggling with some of these things. And they're like, well, maybe I'll just settle for living outside the city if that's all I can get. But, you know, it's very destructive and very, very, very bad. But yeah, let's roll into this next clip here and dissect this one a bit further.

Now, in the millennium, of course, as you could 44 through 48, the temple will be rebuilt. It will be all there from memorial and all that you've read it. I know. And I know brother was told it to you many times. But in the seventh day, the heathen, which has never heard the gospel, will be raised. Not people that's heard it and turned it down and get a second chance. Only those who's never heard it. Remember Psalm, whenever he said, sit down at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool. And it will be there, of course, that

the prophecies of Isaiah, of Zachariah, and many of the Messianic prophecies under the grain of the son of David in the millennium will be lived out upon the 5th round God told David by the fruit of thy body. Well, I set upon thy throne. There we will reign in glorified bodies. That would be the other people living on the earth's in human bodies. Can you imagine they will live for a thousand years? And at the end of that thousand years, there's no devil. There is no devil bound by a chain of circumstance. There's no demons in field

trading people's minds. There's no cigarettes. There's no drinking. There's no honky tongues. There's no bars. There's no televisions. There's no vow. There's nothing there. And at the end of that thousand years, then people will make up their mind. They hate Jesus Christ.

Can you imagine living on the earth with people in glorified bodies? So if you decide you want to go on the other side of the earth, you think about it and you're going. They see you disappear.

They see you. You've not aged one day. You're there in eternal bodies. And they've lived under this domain. And remember, if they don't come up with the Feast of Tabernacles to worship, the sons of God in full manifestation of adoption, they will not allow any reign on their crops.

God's really picky about us going to church. He's going to be pretty picky about it in the millennium. So if folks don't go to church in the millennium, then people that's living outside there, if they don't go to church, the sons of God will be the magistrates and then the governors the earth. And God will relate to them. You know, I sang over them, tell them people in Babylon, they wouldn't have church-wise feasts of Tabernacles. Tell them because of that, they're not going to get no rain for a while. That's what your Bible says. What James, no honky talks, come on man,

what kind of heaven is this? You know, when I left this thing in 2012, and I started realizing that they were stuck like a broken record from the forties and fifties. All these phrases like the honky tongues, you don't hear them today. And I have, first off, I'm not certain that I even know what that is, but if I did, I'm not certain that I really want to go into one. What is a honky talk? And why are these people saying this? But what he is, what he is preaching is an elitism.

And for the NAR crowd, this is one of the precursors to the dominionism themes because he's talking about setting up a government where our people are going to be the rulers over those other Christians. That's really the framework for how all this began. And the beginning of this, he's talking about Ezekiel of the context of this because he's again under Christian identity, he's taking the Ezekiel from the Old Testament, he's trying to wrap it around his church and say that it is actually applicable to his church. And I have, I don't have a problem with that,

but I think he should have chose Ezekiel 4 where God told Ezekiel to eat poop because that's more like what they've got. More like what these guys are doing. Yeah, I tell you what, it's so interesting because even just reading through this, these scriptures here, he told the church to read Ezekiel 44 through 48 and that's where he's pulling this stuff from. Well, when you read Ezekiel 44, for example, one of the things that it talks about is the priests in the temple and how they should behave and things they should do and how to even handle dead bodies. They

shouldn't be around dead bodies. The only time that it would be permitted for them to be around a dead body is it if it's a close love one like a father, a mother, a brother, a sister, something like that. But anyone else, they should abstain from being around a dead body because it'll file themselves and coming into the temple and being unclean and things like that. So my thing that's very interesting about this, if this is typing the millennium and this is Satan's bound in the Abyss and things like that for a thousand years, where's the death coming into play here?

Because it doesn't really seem to match up. But see, this is the weird thing about trying to take prophecies for Israel and map them onto the Gentiles and it's so weird and then they take it, they shake it up and they mix it up and they blend it up and they come out with these really weird doctrines.

And even the thing later on in talking about, and they'll use a scripture talking about not going to the Feast of Tabernacles and God will withhold the reign from your crops. And then they're saying that that will be our job.

Well, I don't wanna say our, because I'm not in the group, but that will be the job of those who are the chosen, the elite in this millennial reign will be to actually withhold the actual reign from people's crops, those that are outside the city.

If they do not go to inside the city to worship. And I don't know, it's very interesting and I think there's problems here, but it also only in this context, it only seems to feed the elitism.

There's nothing about this that seems to help people prepare to live a better life. It's all about, you know, you're gonna be a magistrate in heaven. So therefore, you know, we gotta start talking about what's gonna happen.

You gotta be prepared, you know, you know, that's gonna be a big responsibility to withhold the reign. So, you know, let's talk about it now. Let's get prepared. Yeah, it's just so odd, man.

You know, one of the theme, you're talking about the dead bodies, one of the themes that came out of Latter-Rain. See, the problem was, they were trying to say that the end of the world was coming right there in 1948, 49.

And then when it didn't come, they started like all cults. They started blaming the rank and file member. It's your fault that the world didn't end. We have to become better than this, or you have to become better than this.

And so they're spread through this theme of Latter-Rain that Latter-Rain converts had to take the Nazarite vow. And according to the Nazarite vow, in the Old Testament, there were things you couldn't do. You couldn't drink, you know, certain liquids.

You couldn't touch a dead body. There are all these things. But the funny part is, not a single minister that I have heard that taught that doctrine, even knew what a Nazarite vow was.

They were doing things that you can't do, you know? And so it's just also weird, but you know, when it comes right down to it, they're trying to re-enact certain portions of the Old Testament and ignoring large portions of the rest of it.

And they, because they're developing themes for things they do not understand, they create a heaven that they can't logically explain. And when I say this, it's kind of, it's difficult. It takes several podcasts to explain this fully, but there were a lot of songs that come out during this period of time about people going to heaven and playing harps, for example.

And I'm a musician. I would enjoy to go to heaven and play a harp, but maybe you're not. You know, that's not going to be your thing when you go to heaven. You don't want to sit and play a harp for eternity, right?

And so these people, they're saying things like this guy said, there'll be no televisions in heaven. Well, they have a doctrine against watching television because they want to keep their people contained where they do not get outside information of the cult.

Well, what's to say that heaven doesn't have some thing like this, you know, I'm not saying that it does, but how does this guy know that it doesn't? He's never been there, you know, in the minds of some of these people.

They really want to think that you're going to sit on a cloud and play a harp and they're going to be a whole lot of bored people in heaven if they get there. And that's all that allowed to do.

Yeah, that's how you want it. It's, it's one of those things when you, when you've, when you've stepped away and you deep-programmed from some of this stuff and you come back and look at it again, it really, it's tough because you look at this and you're like, man, I can't believe that I was, I was caught up in this and, and I even let them say this stuff and I even entertain this stuff because it's just, it sounds so messed up.

And like you said, they've got some sort of, of idea about what heaven looks like through all of their research. And they've, they're presenting it to people as this is what it's going to be.

And I personally, you know, I'm not catching judgment on anyone for, for doing this exercise, but I personally think that it's not really all that productive because, you know, there are some, some passages and scriptures, but it's like, it's not like there's a full blown manual of like every experience heaven is in the Bible.

There, there are things that are said, but I mean, there's probably a lot of things there that are not said too. So it's just like, you know, a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys invent a lot of things to sort of like feel, you know, they're, they're sort of vamping.

They're feeling the blank space here, you know, it's just like, you know, it, it really comes into the thing is like, is this even helpful to sit here and, and postulate about what heaven's going to be when you don't have all the facts together, you know, and, and you become a, you, you're kind of taking the place of God to sort of describe something you've never seen before, but you've got a few, a few pieces of information and you're going to build out this entire vision of everything else.

It, it seems, I don't know, it seems problematic. I don't, you're probably too young to remember it, but we used to have these Easter gatherings where everybody was hoping that the end of the world would come.

And as a kid, you're, you're like, well, I'm not certain I want the world to end. I have friends, you know, there was a guy that went around to many of these gatherings and he had it all figured out.

He thought that what heaven would be would be like a, like the great pyramid of Giza, and it would be this room filled with many houses inside the pyramid. So Jesus was at the very top of the pyramid and it had the cornerstone, but that was a room where Jesus lived and you lived in a room under him.

And logically this has problems, man, because if I'm on the outside of the pyramid and I've got this nice big window where I can look at the mountains and the trees and the grass, what about the people in the inside who want outside window. There's just so many flaws. But the whole thing, man, like you said, they're inventing things that they have no way to prove or back. And yes, you can take a scripture here and you can say, well, I know what heaven looks like because I have this one verse that is so vague that it paints no picture whatsoever. But they

thrilled the crowds with itching ears because the crowds don't know what heavens are either. So they're like, oh, well, this guy knows he read that one verse that I myself could have read in my bone Bible at home. And the whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

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the bride doctrine. And this is something that growing up hearing in message churches was so, it was so messed up because you know, you're taught that one, you've got a rule in reign. That's the first thing your first primary job is rule in reign. But then those who are kind to you are the ones you're going to rule in reign over because, you know, they might have been kind to you. And so they get their chance to go into heaven. And then because you are the special elite group, then your responsibility is to make sure that

they do all the proper things they're supposed to do and have in the millennium, you're supposed to do all this stuff and all these different things. Make sure, you know, because you're going to behold the reign if they don't do the things. You know, and it's just, it's so weird. But let's roll into this clip and start breaking this one open.

You know, we deal with all kinds of different people and different ways of life, all kinds of different things. And we wondered sometimes, you know, Lord, why in the world did you let these people move beside me? You got to learn.

how to rule and reign now. You know what are you going to rule and reign over in the millennium, but the men said the heathen that's raised up that had never had the opportunity. So what are you ruling and raining over now? The heathen next door. He said, Bridget, I don't tell them what to do.

No, you're bringing this thing subject and you're learning you live the life before them. They may not even know what's taking place, but one day they will. One day they'll understand, God put me there so I could see what was real. God put me there so I'd know what a real Christian was.

I would know how a real woman dresses, how a real man acts, how he treats his family. I would know all these things. You know, I mean, they are going to come to that recognition, but the band of me even talked about them walking and seeing the women with long hair and something inside of them says, you know, that's actually right. He said they may never come to it, but in here it'll speak to them and tell them that's actually right. That's the way that it should be.

You know, James Anila, awful lot of Christian people who are good Christian people who might take an offense at being called a heathen. Yeah, yeah, it's messed up because, you know, it's you're not in our group and we've decided that our group is the most important group. The only group that really matters, everybody else is only getting into heaven because God is so merciful, not because God necessarily wants you there, but because God is merciful. He wants us there. We're the chosen, we are the few. And our job is to just be the best people we can be to make sure that

we're ready to rule and reign over these people. It really takes the idea of heaven and flips it upside down in my opinion. Well, and like I said earlier, it's such a different Bible. I mean, so this minister's Bible is literally, for God loved the world so much that he sent his prophet, so that if you be kind to one of the people who believe his prophet, you can be saved. That's literally the Bible that he just spat out of his mouth and understand what they've done is very clear. They have taken Jesus completely out of the picture in this case. Jesus cannot save this

Christian who lives next door because the Christian is a follower of Christ and this elite group is a follower of Branum or whoever is your cult leader who's a splinter group of this. The one who follows the apostle or prophet in this scenario is the one who saved. The one who follows Jesus is not saved in their scenario. It further goes to show and this is something that was so shocking to me as I was deprogramming from this thing is because ministers in this movement will literally devalue people who say, I read my Bible and I believe in Jesus Christ and the gospel tells you

that's what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to believe that Jesus, believe in Jesus. Ministers will say, well, they've got part of it, but they don't have the whole thing. We have the whole thing, we're special, and you sit there and you do program your walk way and you're like, wait a minute.

But that's not what the New Testament says, so if you're saying that and you're preaching that, you're not preaching the Bible, you're preaching the message, which is what these guys are doing. They're preaching a different message than what they're claiming to.

They use the Bible as a base. They manipulate it. They switch things around. They link things together that shouldn't be linked together and they come up with their own conclusions. And they say, because the Bible is their base, that their message is built on, therefore, it's a continuation from Genesis all the way to current day, and it's the, and they present it as though it's the same, it's the exact same thing.

It's just extended and added to, you might say. And so therefore, they've got the special thing. And then if you don't believe this, then you're lost because before it was here, before you were in this day, you could have gotten away with that.

But now that this is here and now this is known, just believing in Jesus, I'm sorry, it's not enough. Yeah. And I remember growing up, being around the mentality, because again, it was the cult elite, but you're around people who literally believe that every single person who is in the city who is kind to them, have a special place in heaven because they're kind.

And every person that they have an interaction that they deem to be unkind, whether the person was actually kind to them or not, those interactions, those people are doomed to hell, even if they're Christian.

And I can remember growing up and trying to reconcile all of that in my head, because I would see the interactions. And sometimes I knew that the people I was with were in very bad moods.

And so there wasn't going to be a good interaction between the two people. Well they would walk away and chastise that person on the way home in the car. And that person is doomed to hell.

Well, I also knew some of the people that were doomed to hell and they're Christian people. So in my head, I'm trying to figure out, well, what does it mean to be Christian? If being doomed to hell because somebody's in a bad mood means that we're the Christians and they're not, well, what good is Jesus or the Bible?

And I was trying to reconcile this as a child. Unfortunately, I got indoctrinated to the point where I just kind of forgot about it. And I just glazed it all over until I left.

And then I'm like, oh my gosh, man, we were some of the rudest people. I can't even apologize to all the people that we were rude to. And that's just wrong. Right. And sometimes it's not even the people you're openly rude to.

It's the people you walk by and silently judge, you know, because in your mind, you think you're being kind because you're judging and being, oh, they're so, they're so unfortunate because they don't know the truth that I know.

But in fact, you're the one that's putting your... self in a bad position because you're literally trying to judge them through the lens of your cult that doesn't even line up with scripture. The scripture that you're saying is the basis of your faith, it doesn't even line up with that. It's so many layers of messed up, man.

It's tough. But going further on into this kind of the bride thing, it's so interesting because one avenue of this that I kind of see that it is useful from a cult leader point of view is when you've got these rules and regulations and all this stuff going on and people are like, well, I know I accept this profit as whatever, but my brother or my sister or my father or my mother doesn't, but they're good people. I can't imagine how God would want to burn them up in the lake of fire. This doesn't really make sense. Why

would God do that? They're good people. They just for whatever reason, they just don't believe what I believe. This is an interesting way for ministers to make excuses for why the people in your life who are not message believers. They don't believe the cult, but there's a way that they can get into heaven as long as they're kind to you. As long as they do something that benefits you in a good way, maybe they let you cross the street first or maybe they opened a door for you. They were kind of the bride. Maybe your boss gave you a bonus when

you really needed it, kind of the bride. So therefore, maybe they're going to have a special place in heaven because they were kind to you and it's really, really many levels of messed up.

But let's roll into this next clip and dive in a bit further.

Are you following me, friends? Hallelujah. That kind neighbor. Amen. That kind person on the job that never spoke against you, that never persecuted you, that never talk about you in your gods. But they seem to always take up for you and stand up for you. They'll not come up as the bride or the foolish virgin righteous, but they'll come up because they were good to the wife of God and God will grant them eternal life. You know, James, I'm glad you found this one because I had this conversation recently with somebody. We were talking about the scenario that happened during

the crucifixion because the thief on the cross defied buys every single rule and every single piece of logic from all of these cults, from branemism to the NAR, because you cannot apply the thief to any of that theology.

The thief did not live the perfect life. He did not abide by the cult rules. He did not consider the elitist to be their, his people. He was not kind to the elite group of people.

You know, this was the thief on the cross, right? And Jesus had the power to save him right before his life. So all of these things, like this one particular minister is in direct opposition to the first one we played, where the guys, he doesn't like to preach to the people who he thinks are going to hell, because there's no power for Jesus to save them right before their death, like the thief on the cross.

Every single rule, like this minister, I'm not heard the whole sermon. I've not heard in everything he has to say, but I can assure you, if he's teaching the cult doctrine, that one single statement completely reverses everything that he said during the course of that sermon.

Like I said, you know, leading up into the clip, you know, it's so destructive, because one of the things that the cult does is it has these really destructive and messed up rules and regulations.

It makes you treat people in ways you shouldn't that are anti-scriptural. And it makes you be less of the Christian that the New Testament actually, you know, acts you to be. And one of the things that they do is they cling on to things like this to make themselves see, we're not so bad, our version of this religion isn't so bad because we have this out for people who, like I said before, who, for all you can tell, look like really great people, they love Jesus, they do all the things, they're good people, they're more people, you know, as far as you can tell.

So in your mind, you're like, how could God destroy these people? And then the minister comes in and says, ha ha ha, but see if they're in your life and they're good to you, God's gonna give them something good in heaven just because God loves you so much, he's gonna give a portion of that blessing to that person because they were kind to you.

And I know there's been a lot of things in throughout this series that have pointed out how messed up this group is, but I think this one takes the cake. Yeah, it's like, I don't know.

In public school, there's these group of kids, the properties are different, there's different phrases you call these kids, but basically they're the elite ones, they're the bride of the school classroom, man. And anybody who's not part of their group, they just kind of look down upon.

And what it sets up is you have this elitist mentality where you feel like you're bettering yourself whenever you are insulting and demeaning to you. towards other people, and all of the other people who see the way that you're behaving realize that you have a severe personality problem, and the ones that you're denouncing are usually the ones who feel sorry for you and wish that you could get therapy.

And I'm trying to picture if actual Christians were to go into this service and hear this minister while he is just condemning those on the outside of the group, and then anybody who is quote unquote kind to the elites, they might be saved, well, the real Christians are going to be praying that this person gets a therapist.

Yeah. Oh, man. Like I said, it's one of those things is, you know, and it's funny because I had some friends bring this topic up to me and that are out, and I started going through this and it's just going through these ministers saying this stuff over and over again was something that I was kind of reliving some of this stuff.

And some of the things I had actually forgotten about, funny enough, but hearing them say some of these things, it was just transporting me back to being a kid in the pew at the church and listening to these things come across and trying to make sense of this because you know, it all, it sounds so strange and weird, but at the same time you're indoctrinated from a little kid.

If that's how you came into this group like this, you know, if you come in as a little kid, then from the very beginning, the first things you hear are these words being screeched across the pulpit.

And so you sort of, you sort of try to make some of these things work. You're trying to put them together, especially as you're getting older. And the younger that you are when these things start being put into place in your mind, the easier they are to get set in place because you, you tend to accept authority more when you're young and, or at least that's my experience at least.

And so, yeah, when you get further on and then you just start accepting some of these things as fact. And like I said, you start walking through life and you start judging people in ways that you don't even realize you're judging them because it starts to become a normal thinking to you.

The cult mindset gets so ingrained in you that you're looking at people and just judging them across the board. People you've never even met before, you just walk across them at the Walmart checkout line.

And because of the cult and indoctrination, you come up with conclusions right away and like you feel sad for their soul and you don't even know who this person is. You don't know nothing about them.

But because the cult and indoctrination teaches these things, you know, and has all this pressure about, oh, if you're not bright elite or anything like this, then therefore, you know, all bets are off unless you're kind of the bride and then there's, there's all these different things.

But it's just, it's, yeah, it's messed up and I really, I really feel for the children who have grown up in this and movements like this and who have to have to struggle with these things because it's like, you know, deep programming from it is something that can be tough, but when you get on the other side of it, and you can see it, it kind of helps you sort of one make peace with what you thought about people, and that can be tough, that can be tough to interface with, but, you know, when you

can kind of get in there and really understand what's going on, and how these people were manipulating you, understanding the manipulation can actually help heal because it helps you understand what you were in control of and what these other people were in control of by putting this, by putting this indoctrination in you to begin with.

Yeah, and usually that indoctrination, the way a cult works, they want it to be something that you can notice so that you can see yourself as different from the people who aren't in a cult. So that's why the cults that have spun off of Pentecostalism, for example, they immediately judge whether or not a person is Christian by looking at their wife. If the wife has a long dress and long hair, well, by golly, they must be Christian because it's long hair and long dresses, which is absurd, right? And, you know, there's some of the new or new age laddering descendants, like some in the AAR, they use words of phrases.

This person uses the code word that our cult uses, well, they must know about the secret language. They know, they know God, right? And so they, they try to put this wall up that you can visibly see between you and the outside. And what happens is you start to see yourself like you said is different from these people. And it creates an even further creates and supports the elitist mindset. The people who aren't in their, in the way that they put this predestinated, elected to be this bride, this elite, class of people, they wouldn't be able to understand it anyways. So therefore, this is also a little caveat for those people

who maybe through the right circumstances, you showing yourself being the great elected special person can influence them enough to where maybe they can kind of slip into this, this little caveats. Let's take a look at this clip and dive in.

And so we find that that now you come to a place where where God is is changing you and he's molding you and the thing that that gains their maternal life is the king can look into their heart and the only work he's looking for is what was your heart's response to the word when it was presented to you in whatever form. If you weren't elected to see the message, you can never see it anyway. That's a, that's his election, that's God. But that doesn't mean they can't get it.

her life. They can be granted eternal life. Based on their, that's why brother random would say, many will get in because they were kind to the bride. What, what were they doing? They didn't understand the doctrine. They wouldn't have understood it if you had a trial or believed it or followed it if you had tried to explain it to them. But they saw you and they knew you're something more than they are and they respected that. And oftentimes so it's so it's it's coming down to your heart's response. And that's why many of them are going to fill up

the new earth. Having, having freshly been freshly minted with eternal life. Boom. Enter into the choice of the Lord. Boom. Enter into the choice of the Lord. Prepare for you from the foundation of the world, from the foundation. Meaning that when God started recording time his predestination knew who all that would be. But that's not the elected. The elected Jesus and the bride are the only ones in the entire Bible who were elected before the foundation. So James this is the crux of the whole matter. I'm glad that you put these in this order because I was trying to build up to show people where the NAR got their

elitist mindset of today. You have these apostles and prophets and they're the ones who decide and determine, well that politician is the one that everybody should vote for. So we're going to, we're not going to tell you to vote for them, but praise God. This guy is saved and then everybody votes for them. It's that kind of weird thing. They have set up the structure where they as the apostles or the prophets or the ministers who were guided by the instructions of said prophets, etc. They're the ones who know which people are predestinated and which ones aren't. If you really, really think about what this

guy is saying, he is saying that he is aware that his neighbor who just happens to be a devout Christian was not predestinated. And they give the reasons why and usually it means, oh, because they weren't in the cult, they're not predestinated, right? That's how this works. And following Jesus, being a, you know, a Christian means you are a follower of Christ, it doesn't matter in these cult scenarios. They want you to be part of their system. It really, it isn't even so much that they want you to follow the quote-unquote prophet or the quote-unquote apostle. They want you to be part of the system of the network. And

if they can get you into that system, then you are quote-unquote kind to them because you're in the system, you're in the network. And you may vote according to the way that they want you to vote. You may do things that give special favors to the cult members. If you are a baker, for example, and you have the best bread in town, or if you get a discount to all of the people who are in the cult, you're kind to the bride and you, too, get it to get to heaven. I mean, that's how this thing works. Yeah, I wouldn't even be surprised with some of

these ministers from the things I've seen. If it doesn't get further extended to be like, well, if you just send in your top then that's also being tied to the bride. It's just so messed up.

I mean, you and I should start charging ties for this podcast that we're doing. And tell people that if you be kind to this podcast, we will say that you are a Christian, and then you can give them a blank free ticket to heaven because they're kind to us.

That's how absurd this thing is, man. And that's literally what these guys are saying. Picture if they were, I don't know, a picture that they were running a lawnmower service instead of a Christian church.

And they say, if you be kind to us while we're mowing your neighbor's lawn, then you're a Christian. I mean, you can apply it to any scenario, but that's how weird this is. They're not preaching the Bible at all.

The plan of salvation that is listed in the Bible in many, many different sections. These guys just tear those pages out. They do not want you to know that there is an actual plan of salvation in the Bible.

Because it does not match what they're teaching. But anyway, I could go on and on. I will stop there and let people think through that. But if you have weird doctrines that you'd like for us to discuss on the show, you can contact us on the web.

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