Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to Latter Rain

Music Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brandham Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and the founder of William Brandham Historical Research, at William-brandham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher and friend, John McKinnon, the author of the persuasive preacher, the gifted prophet, and the noble politician.

And together we're discussing weaponized religion, how Christian identity fused with early Christian fundamentalism and politics to form the foundation for the new Apostolic Reformation. John, I feel like today is the day where everything begins to really come together.

We've given all these various backgrounds into all of the, you know, the clan and the different movements and all of the pieces of the puzzle are just kind of laying there scattered. And today is the day where we kind of bring all of those pieces together.

And you can start to see the Christian identity start to take shape. And it's taking shape, you know, many places across the nation. But here in Jeffersonville, where I live, it was taking shape as well at the same time.

And this is the place where William Brandham, the leader of the post-World War II Healing Revivalist, would have received his training and his, you know, learning the ministry, etc. So he's learning in a Christian identity cult.

And that cult later, you know, as you know, with Brandham birthed a lot of rain movement. And from there it went into a million splinter groups. But ultimately, the whole network of the NAR, really you can look at this as the epicenter for what happened.

Yeah, thank you. You're right here. It's just amazing the time that they were living in. A lot of things came together at one time back back in the 20s and 30s there. And there was men that rose up as great evangelist for the cause.

It was not necessarily for the cause of Christ. And many of them, you know, pretended to be, you know, for the cause of Christ to get, and it swayed all the Pentecostals to join in the uncertain groups like Laterane.

And it was just a unique time. I mean, I just, I'm just amazed at how it took just a few figures like Davis to start his group. It took a man like William Brandham with his giftings and methods that he used to sway the audiences.

And then all the way out to the West Coast. of the men like Wesley Swift, which we'll mention. All these men, they were joining for a common cause, and then on the political side, you had those that were opposing communism and Christian identity was rising, but you had those that were opposing the infiltration of Jews and immigrants and blacks to the nation.

So you had all this coming together and forming a common network of people, but there were so many splinter groups, like you said, it just went to a thousand pieces, but there was that common core that kind of held them together.

And we're gonna explore that and explore more of Roy Davis's life, but we're gonna find out, he's making his way across the nation. He does a lot of damage everywhere he goes, but he ends up having to run from one town to the next, but he's definitely spreading his form of the gospel and his ideologies that are right in line with these things, but he's gonna find a home out in the West Coast.

We'll find out, he's gonna find a home out there for a while because this movement had really infiltrated the West Coast all the way down from Canada, we'll find. Yeah, and there's a couple of other names, which are really interesting, if you think about it, that I'm gonna drop.

While all of this was building in the background, you also had Henry Ford, and you think of Henry Ford, you think of Ford Motors, you really don't think of religion, but Henry Ford was very influential in helping Christian identity take its roots in the United States, and he was another interesting tidbit, Abraham Verde of the Fellowship International, which is called the Family.

Abraham Verde and Henry Ford collaborated a bit. I think Ford was, if I remember right, it was a Bible student of Abraham Verde, the founder of the family. And in 1918, Henry Ford purchased his local newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, and he published, I think it's in the 1920s, he began publishing a series called the International Jew, and this was a series that was highly anti-Semitic, racist, it was, you know, themed with Christian identity all throughout.

It ran for 91 issues, and because people are reading the Dearborn Independent, and they see it as this incredible source because it's Henry Ford and it's his paper, it began to take root as though the propaganda were real and not fiction, and you had people like William Cameron, who was, you know, he was running that newspaper for Ford, and William Cameron also became, I think he's the secretary or the vice president of the Anglo-Saxon Federation, and that was one of the premier Christian identity movements as it was taking hold.

had all of those people basically seeding the ground with the notion that this Christian identity thing was real, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, the propaganda against the Jews was real, and they helped spread this.

So they basically created a fertile field and then people like Wesley Swift, which you mentioned, and years later, Brannum, also Davis, all these people, they basically took the fertile field that was created by Ford and others, the Anglo-Saxon Federation and others, and they started planting roots that began to grow, and those roots developed into some very nasty things in the 1960s.

So we're looking at the period of time after that field has been planted, we're in approximately the 30s, I think, and what we're getting into today. So that, all of that groundwork has been laid.

People have became familiar with the Dearborn Independent and its propaganda, and a lot of people are believing the propaganda. Yeah, it's good that you mentioned the seeds of all this and where it all came from.

And as we talked about in prior episodes, the two-seed doctrine came into this country. The KKK was being started. Then you had the Henry Ford, as you mentioned, and William Cameron. You had a lot of chief propagandists out there that were spreading this news and this ideology, and the people of America were kind of ripe for that as a certain element of people that were really wanting to hear these kind of things, and they just made themselves just the doctrines to infiltrate their minds and hearts, and it really got a foothold in this country.

It started out, I guess, in the New England States as British-Israelism, but eventually, as we see as it got to the West Coast, it morphed into Christian identity, and that Christian identity has a very violent tone to it.

It became something that were people were now ready to act out on their beliefs. British-Israelism was content to literally live and live, but in Christian identity, and especially in America, you wanted to root out the evil, and you had justification for doing it.

Now, you had a biblical justification through the two-seed doctrine that gave you, as a son of God, as somebody that was ordained to take dominion over the earth, the right, and if you had the tools, you were ordained to root out the evil, and create these purges, as you might call, and eventually happen in the World War II with Hitler, I will find out, the people of America that were part of this group, they really were supportive of that.

So it's kind of going back to what Davis was doing in 1930. And I wanted to point out some things with his next to be wife, you know, he was leaving his second wife as he made his way through Tennessee and to to Louisville, but in April 8th of 1930, there was a census in America.

And I found this to be interesting because it happened with Roy Davis back in Texas back in 1910, I believe. He appeared in two censuses, one on a boarding house he was living in and then another with his wife, you know, a month or two later.

But Willie May actually appears, which Willie May is Ali Lee's mother. She was married to Earl E. you know, Garrison. And the Garrisons were a family that to go back to in Georgia, they believed with Davis. They stayed with Davis's group as church and they followed him up to Chattanooga when he moved to Chattanooga and began operations there.

But by 1930, you know, Davis had already left and gone straight to Louisville. He was now working in those revivals, going to start that in the fall. Willie May saw that as an opportunity evidently and she ended up leaving her husband. But before this is happening right about this time of the census, which is fortunate for us because we get to see what's going on in her movements.

But she in April, she writes her names down there as a border with her husband early and Robert Garrison. But in the census, you know, Ali is not mentioned at all. And that's kind of interesting because that shows that Ali was actually already with Davis probably by this time because we know from April and October, he was arrested for the man act.

So Ali was not there with with with her own family there in Tennessee in Chattanooga. And I've got the census right from me. And then just and Willie May is listed as 33 years old. Now two days later, she is listed in the census up in Kentucky.

So she must must have been recorded there in Chattanooga and then traveled up to Kentucky ever how they did that. And now she's listed in a census in Louisville with Roy Davis as borders and Ali is also listed as 16 years old.

Willie May lists her age then is 34 and she was born in January. So she was probably already 34, but that was kind of strange that her age changed one year just two days later.

And by October, 1930, you know, Ali had turned 17 by this time. So we know that's who this is talking about. Her name is not really in the census as Ali is like Addis, but but with her age, you know, that's who it is.

And so Davis gets arrested there with the man act right off the stage as we learned, you know, last episode. But we can see the evidence of it right here. And Willie May not to be confused with Willie Mays. I kept thinking Willie Mays the baseball player as you're talking about that.

But yeah, there's clear evidence that you know, even though he was able to escape conviction from it There's clear evidence that Roy Davis was grooming this girl to you know for reasons that were not becoming of a minister I'll just say like that and keep it G rated clear evidence of this and While he's doing this. I mean picture that scene, right?

So you've got this minister who's very affectionate with this young girl in this church Everyone in the church would have had to have known because you're right there. You see it. You can see this happening But he's also this leader of the clan and he's this famous figure because he was the second in command of the clan So the people in his church while they see him doing the thing that's wrong They were supportive of this idea of white supremacy So they see this as it's it's an okay wrong this guy has a greater good

Even though he's doing this dastardly thing with his girl We don't care because he's this famous figure in white supremacy And in his congregation is William Brannum. That's where he got ordained as a minister That's where he met his first wife his first wife was a Pentecostal In this thing with him at the same time she was actually preaching Which the whole thing is kind of funny because in years later William Brannum is talking about how Roy Davis would allow women preachers and How they had this drift over it and disagreement Brannum never mentions that his his first wife was a preacher in the thing

She was not a minister that led a church, but she was preaching she was holding you know devotional services etc And he doesn't mention that he worked with female preachers early in the revival. So the whole thing was a lie But the setup is it's quite funny if you really take a step back and and see it It's almost the makings of a comedy movie because here's a minister who's with this young girl doing things that are very inappropriate And everybody sees it and they just simply don't care Yeah, that's right and I wanted to frame this episode with those with with him and Ali Lee and I'll come back to her and

How they're travels did later when it's when we can get to it But we talked about the two-seed doctrine that infiltrated the US and British israelism got a stronghold But but through the Pentecostalism, you know was Charles Fox Parham that we talked about a episode or two ago That he brought in the British israel ideas and it was beginning to transform in the Christian identity So between 1920 and 30 in LA Los Angeles Christian identity was just some small sex But I read a article that said it grew by 381 percent, you know the little groups that were

spreading it grew by percent, almost 400 percent. And most of them were Pentecostals at that time. And most were migrants from the Northeast to that city. So you can see how the doctrine started up in the Northeast, but they migrated to the city of LA because LA was growing at that time. I guess there was opportunity. And Pentecostalism started out there in 1906. So there was a lot of reasons for the Pentecostals to go there to be right in the middle of all the revival, you know, that was going on. So that's what made this group grow. And around 1930, Howard Rand was another figure

that he began, what's called the Anglo-Saxon Federation of America. And that provided the key link between British-Israelism and Christian identity. He began to teach, Rand was the one that began to teach the Jews to send it from Esau and to Canaanites. And that eventually joined forces with this serpent-seed doctrine that came from the Clucleic's clan. And also Daniel Parker, I think we mentioned. So all this joined together. And then they started believing that the Jews were the devil's seed through Satan, through the serpent. And that's exactly what we find out that William Branham embraced all his ministry. And he eventually spoke publicly and finally taught,

but he alluded to it throughout his ministry from the very beginning. So through Rand's work, the hatred of the Jews began. And it was right about this time, you know, had the rise of Hitler, Hitler came to power. And in 1933, so over 10 years, period of time, you know, until Hitler came to power, you know, the hatred of the Jews just boiled. And then that's what united Christian identity organizations like the KKK and the Pentecostals at the time who were promoting a white supremacy. And that's what Roy Davis's church was all about. Well, he was starting his sex in his

groups called the Pentecostal Baptist, all throughout the nation. And of course, he had his right-hand man, William Branham, to also work with him on that. And so they became part of that movement. So that's kind of how it all started, you know, right there. And that's why this movement really took off. Right. I've seen several movies and read books about this era. And the way Hollywood and many authors portray it, you really don't see it as a religious thing. You see it as a political thing. And honestly, it wasn't until I read Michael Barkun's book Religion and the Racist Right

that I began to see that there was a way that it spread politically was through religion. Yeah, John's holding up the book right now for the audience who are on the, you know, non-video feeds, but it's a great book. If you want to understand Christian identity, that's the book to go to.

And in fact, I'm going to pause a bit because every episode that we've done so far, We get several people who write in and they say, could you please explain what is Christian identity?

A lot of people don't realize. As we've talked about in our show, we had British Israelism, which was a notion that the British Isles were the lost 10 tribes of Israel, the descendants landed in the British Isles.

And whenever they saw that this was a great money-making thing, they began to, you know, through books and other literature, pamphlets, lectures, et cetera. Some of the key figures in British Israelism brought it to the United States and claimed that the United States and Canada were grafted in as British Israelites.

So this took root like you said earlier in the show in the East Coast, but it came in about the same time where white supremacy was really taking hold. And as it spread west, it began to fuse with white supremacy.

Then we have the protocols of the learned elders of Zion being published and mixed with anti-Semitism. And by the time it reaches the West Coast as it's sweeping across, they began to claim that our identities as Christians is rooted in this British Israel theology and that through the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, the Jews had invaded the politics of America, the religion of America, the education of America.

Basically, before some of the mountains even existed, the seven mountain mandate of the NAR, they believed that the Jews had invaded those and those were the false Jews. And we identify ourselves with the true Jews, we as Christian identity anti-Semitic people.

By the time it reaches the West Coast, that is your identity. And that began to spread all throughout. So that's really, if you want to sum up Christian identity, that's probably the easiest way.

The better way is to read that book, Michael Barkun's book, we'll explain it thoroughly. But like I said, I've seen movies about this but I did not realize that it was a religious thing until I read the book and then I began through the names that are dropped in that book.

I began to combine it with my research and I started to realize, wait a minute, many of the key players in my research are tied to the Christian identity and I did not even realize some big names.

Like Gordon Lindsay is speaking at Christian identity converts after the British Israel doctrine has become very racist and anti-Semitic. So he's a key figure in building all of this thing. One of the others, which was a little bit of a shocker, is Amy Simple McPherson, who, her church is so famous that when the, I think it's the 50th year anniversary of Pentecostalism was held at the, Angulous temple because she's a key figure in this. Well, she sided with the anti-Semitic side of the doctrine, basically the Christian identity people. And right after the night of the broken glass, which is, you know, whenever something like 30,000 Jews were attacked

by the Germans, they had burned the businesses, they had taken several of the people prisoner in hostage. It really, it's the epicenter for what developed into World War II. Just days after this, Amy Semple McPherson invites the most racist anti-Semitic Nazi figure in the United States, who's Gerald Burton-Winrod. We've mentioned him a few times. Just days after that event happened, she invites him into her church to speak as the minister, the featured minister in her church, which is making a statement, I am siding with the Christian identity people. So all of this background comes together and it's deeply rooted in Pentecostalism.

Yeah, yeah. We can see how it has gotten into those people there. I was going to mention a little bit about how I first came across Christian identity. It was very, very long time ago. I was in my 20s and I was actually in college and there was some anti-Catholic literature that a friend of mine from high school, he was in church of God, but he had these little comics that was put out by a publisher in the West Coast. Everybody probably knows of chick publications. So I was starting to read that. I'd never been acquainted with any too much religion at the time because I was

just grew up in a Baptist church and I didn't know a whole lot. But I started reading that. It seemed to make sense and they presented the part about how they were fulfilling the book of revelation and they're the false church and all this. So started out with that and then that led to a publishing company that had a lot of the titles of Christian identity in it and I didn't know what all that was at the time. It wasn't called Christian identity, but you started looking at these and you realized how racist it is. I'm the type of person I want to study something out to the

fullest as I can until I get satisfied that I know what it is. But I found out through all my study of that back in 30 years ago or more that there was a lot of hatred there. Everyone that embraced that ideology tended to have a whole bunch of hatred built up that they just wanted to unleash through through acting out and we see that you know you've seen that in the today we live in today but there's still those little groups out there not as big as it was and and they believe they have the right to use force and violence because they believe the constitutions on their side

and we have a government so they believe they have a right to you know institute the government they'd be happy with and so and they also believe that they're to be able to succeed if they ever try to rise up and act on their compulsions, but they believe they would be able to succeed because they believe God's on their side.

It's just amazing. They get this ideology in them and then pretty soon they're kind of delusional and then they get this thinking that they're going to overthrow the government we have or whatever. That's what the stuff breeds. It does breed a lot of hatred towards people and that's what we see. The population thankfully hasn't been swept into that thankfully that has been pointed out which we're trying to do as well so that people are warned about these kind of groups. But we go back to some of the things that were happening. There was a man named

Philip E.J. Monson. He founded the Kingdom Bible College and also the Covenant Evangelistic Association. But he was actually appointed the District Superintendent, eventually over ran, Howard Rans, Anglo-Saxon Federation of America. He was over several states in the West, California, Nevada, Utah, Washington, Idaho, and Oregon. He was pretty powerful in his position.

In his Kingdom Bible colleges where Wesley Swift comes into view, this was in the 1930s. Wesley was a student at that Bible college and that's where he was influenced by all these ideas. The doctrine of the two seeds was promoted there. Once he embraced those doctrines, you know, Wesley Swift, what much of a writer, but he was a big evangelist and he could sure preach and we have a lot of his recordings today. That's pretty much the documentation or the legacy that he left was his recorded sermons because he didn't write a lot of books or anything.

But he preached that so strongly and spread that ideology so well that he had a pretty big following. And I believe you even said that Wesley was preaching in message churches, you know, way up, maybe in late night or up to the 90s. But he was introduced to British Israelism by Gerald Burton, Winrod, it was said. And then various organizations, you know, began to spring up at that time. But, you know, Wesley Swift Swift was a primary evangelist for this doctrine.

But all these sects, their fascinations were promoting the white supremacy, the two-seed doctrine. They started blending British Israelism and Christian identity. But another interesting thing about all these groups that rose up, most of them were interested in spiritualism, pyramidology, astrology, some in the occult, and end of day's theology, pre-millennialism.

You know, they all had this mindset that the world's going to end very soon. We find that in the healing revival, that was the primary thing. You know, the Lord's coming could be in very next day. The world's going to just be doomed and war- is going to happen blow up and end of days here. But in the spiritualism, pyramidology and astrology, we find that, you know, Brannum embraced all those three. I mean, as the more and more I study on this, you know, for him to say, for William Brannum to say that the pyramid was another Bible is just absurd, or that the zodiac itself was written as a Bible,

you know, God has signs in the heavens, of course, but to say it was an actual Bible is far from the truth and to say the pyramid was built in the time of Enoch is very absurd and to say that it was a Bible as well as absurd. But that was just the things I were believing and William Brannum promoted that. In all his sermons, you can read it time and time again.

Many, many quotes where he said that. So that was that was part of the doctrine they embraced there. Then we had a Clem Davies. Clem Davies was a big part of the revival movement. He was in a meeting with Gordon Lindsay, I think, but he was part of the KKK of the 20s and in 1933 was in the Chicago world's fair and began to speak there. And you wonder if, you know, William Brannum had traveled to the 33 Chicago world's fair and you wonder if he didn't come in contact with Clem Davies or hear some of his speeches there where he was promoting Christian identity theology and also

defending the KKK at the time. So we know all that was around, you know, in the circles of influence, you know, Brannum was involved with. Davies was also a speaker at the Anglo-Saxon Federation meeting in 1940. And that was that was actually organized by Gordon Lindsay.

But he traveled and ministered to the United States and Canada in the 40s and he was actually sponsored by Tatos Kardashian, which we know that's definitely related to the connections Brannum had because the Kardashian sponsored him, Clem Davies and Avocogat Higopian, the faith healer that came to try to heal the sun, you know, that was invalid. So we got all these figures here coming, coming to influence, you know, Christianity, influence, Pentecostalism and being involved in William Brannum circles. So we know we know he was very connected with all this.

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On behalf of William Brannem Historical Research, we want to thank you for your support. You know, you mentioned Philip Monson, and I want to go back and emphasize something that you said and something that ties to the history.

Philip Monson is one of the first figures who really took the two-seed doctrine of Christian identity. What William Brannem would later call the serpent seed. He's the one who framed it into a religious context and put labels onto it where it turned into a theology.

And you know, if you were in the message, you're familiar that William Brannem said that this very racist and anti-semitic two-seed doctrine that he called serpent seed. He said it was a divine revelation from God.

And so if you're raised in the message like I was, you are to believe that this was something new to the earth. And this was something that we had to consider to be righteous, this very racist, anti-semitic thing.

It came to him as a quote-unquote revelation in what was in 1958, 1959. He himself mentions learning it in Roy Davis's church, which would have been the thirties. And Roy Davis, as you know, was white supremacy, you know, second and command.

So he was one of the most racist people. But Philip Monson, he introduced this doctrine in 1928 in the form of a religious thesis. And it began to take root and it began to spread.

And like you said, there were many doctrines that developed that were very, very weird. I'll just call it weird. There were extrabiblical doctrines such as the pyramid being this, they didn't consider it a Bible, even though William Brannem called it that.

They considered it a prophetic document written by the ancients that was to be mapping out the end of days. That's the way that they believed it. And they believed that the king's tunnel, the discovery of it and its dimensions were basically a roadmap that we could see that led straight to the end of days.

And they began to do doomsday calculations based off of the pyramid. And you can almost, to the letter, identify a religious person who is a Christian, Christian identity leader or white supremacist by whether or not they accept this weird pyramid doctrine.

There's also the doctrine of the zodiac, etc. Well, one of the things that is telling, because if you talk to any William Brannem a cult leader who, and you, you know, you can front him with this information that this is a racist and anti-Semitic doctrine, the Serpent Seed thing, they will reject it.

They will say, no, William Brannum taught a non-racist version of this. And that's because William Brannum took the words that suggested racist out of that sermon so that it could slide in under the radar.

And then he came up, came later and followed up with other key doctrines such as the hybriding doctrine, for example, how it's wrong for a human to be hybrid based off of race. So he's tying it together, but there's another element of this that's even more sinister and more difficult to understand and find.

And that is the fact that the racist version of this doctrine by the racist ministers also included the notion of, quote unquote, mud people. They believed that when the Serpent made it with Eve to produce Cain, and Cain was banished, Cain went to the mud people and the mud people pre-existed Adam.

And so when Cain made it with the mud people, it created the people with black skin. And even in the Serpent Seed sermon by William Brannum, you can see that William Brannum traces the lineage in the same way that all the white supremacists do, even though he's not using the word black, he's tracing the same lineage of the white supremacists.

But he also talks about the age that the people, the civilization that pre-existed before Adam and Eve. He said, and he uses the word Seed, that's even more critical to understand. He said, I believe every seed was laying right here from other, some other civilization or something.

And he is talking about the pre-Adamic race, he's talking about the mud peoples. So William Brannum was clearly influenced by the white supremacy, anti-Semitic people, to believe that Cain made it with mud people, and that produces the black skin.

And it's my opinion, I can't prove it, but we know we have seen sermons that have been scrubbed, and we've seen entire sermon collections that have been pulled from the list, you can't access them.

I believe that he probably openly talked about the mud people, but we don't see any evidence of it. They've scrubbed every single thing, but ironically they missed taking out the Serpent Seed sermon. They should have taken it out, and we would have never pieced all this together.

But we do understand, based off of the things that he said, that the version of his Serpent Seed that he taught was clearly the racist version. Yeah, right, right, John, I'm glad you brought up some of those points, because I wanted to bring up a couple of things you brought up.

to my mind. It's really how this doctrine to the unsuspecting person when you first encounter all their weird ideas, you know, here's how they capture your mind. Most people, I was kind of intrigued with what they were saying at one time because they speak of like the Constitution going back to that and talking about how we need to get back to honest money, gold and silver coin and get away from this fiat currency we currently use, this printed money that causes inflation and so that sounds all good and and so that's one thing they do and then and then they talk about how the,

you know, your rights have been taken, you need to reassert your rights and you know, it could even be something simple through the driver's license. Well, you don't need a driver's license to have the right to travel to drive and so it's, they've done all these court battles and even pay an income tax, you know, they do all these court battles to try to fight the government over this and that and even teach you the law and so it's very intriguing to read and study because, you know, there's some validity to some of it, but you know, the part about then they then they bring in the

other part that they believe is what she was talking about the mud people, which I've heard that very term, you know, use, they call them mud people and there's another author out there, Eustace Mullins, he wrote several books but he was an interesting figure that I had a few books of his but mostly on the federal reserve but he talked about the curse of Canaan so for the black skin came from could have been from when Canaan was cursed through ham back when Noah came out of the ark and ham saw his father naked and then he cursed Canaan so some of them probably believe

the black skin or whatever came from, you know, that and that we shouldn't mingle, you know, the races together because of that, it's a curse on them and also the pre-adamic creation, some of the ministries actually pinnecostal ministries, I won't name the one but I can name the ministry still in existence today in Louisiana and Baton Rouge even, they had a sermon on the pre-adamic creation and the word they get you to believe that is the earth was covered with water, you know, in the beginning the spirit of God moved upon the face of the earth and it was covered with water

so one thing they say is well when God creates up in his beautiful right so for the earth to be without form and void and covered with water there must have been some judgment that happened so that they believe there was one judgment that occurred which was a flood, you know, back in those days it covered the earth with water made it without form and void and then the other word that he's used in the text is when he told Noah actually told Adam to go and reap and populate the earth or two be fruitful and multiply. The word used is replenish. And he also used the same word in the text,

the Holy Spirit used the same word in the text when he talked to Noah and said, go forth and replenish the earth because the earth had been killed off. Now you were the eight people left, go back and replenish the earth. Adam was, they say the same word is used in the text.

I looked it up in 30 years or more and they say it's the same word being used as far as repopulating the earth. So that's where this idea of pre-adamic creation comes from, is that whether it must have been a creation prior to Adam because he's telling Adam to replenish the earth, why would he say replenish if there wasn't. And then for Adam, where these Christian identity folks get that white skin is really the blessed race of God, is that the word Adam used is, I think the Hebrew word means to turn rosy, red, and the show blood in the face. And there was even a movie made back

in the 90s that had all these white supremacy groups coming together. It was actually titled Blood in the face. But I actually, somebody out of the blue called me way back and was talking about that.

This was in the northwest and somehow they got my phone number and called. And we were discussing that. But he told me specifically said, well, what race of people can actually show, you know, blushing as what they refer to. And he said, well, only the white race can. Well, that's how they believe it. You know, and that's not exactly true because we're not talking about something physical here. When God looks at people, he looks upon the heart. And if your heart is blushing, he's going to see it. So for somebody to say this is all physical and a racial thing in the scripture,

I think is also not not correct. But that's how they believe it. That's how they get people trapped in this doctrine. Because if you start believing those things along those lines, you know, you can pretty much be convinced. And in the pyramid, they believe, like you said, it was like a doomsday clock. They were trying to decode the pyramid. And there was all kinds of Raymond capped, I believe, was one that maybe wrote a book on the pyramid and his his dad.

I don't have the exact things, but it was a CAPT capped. He was definitely one of the white supremacists there. But he wrote a book on it, I think, on the decoding the pyramid. So if they could they felt like if they could decode the pyramid, they could set dates and know when the end of time was coming, when the doomsday was going to happen. So it was really all tied in there.

But that's how they captured about minds of the people. So people have to be really be careful what they believe and what they study on, you know, and take it, be really critically in their thinking. Same way with the message, we should have been really critically minded from the beginning.

But the information just wasn't out there. So we could have studied it in the beginning before we jumped into it. ho-ho-heartedly. Another figure is William Dudley-Pelley, I'll mention, he was quite a activist-american-fascist-activist-journalist-writer, and he was also an occultist.

He was noted in America for his support for the German dictator Hitler during the Great Depression and World War II. And he developed a religious philosophy called Soulcraft. He believed in UFOs and extraterrestrials.

So we find UFOs being heavily promoted in the healing revival through Gordon Lindsay's publication. And also William Brownham promoted UFOs, saying they were angels. So they all had this belief in it. Either they had a belief in it that was pretty strong where they used it to sensationalize the things that were happening.

Where these UFOs were being cited even today, we haven't, you know, the government's investigated it, but they believe they had the answer. They believed they knew who they were, that they were these angels investigating the judgment that's coming.

So it all played into their scheme of the end of the world, end of days, beliefs. But we find that to be the case. The William Dudley-Pilly, of course, he was anti-Semitic. He founded what's called the silver legion of America in 1933.

It was actually a fascist paramilitary league. He also ran for president. I think they started what's called the Christian party in 1936. I believe we also find William Upshall running for president about that time.

So we find all these men trying to gain power in the government through maybe running for president. Of course, they never got any traction. They never won anything. But, you know, we find them running, you know, for office.

They wanted to get control of the government. In 1942, Pelley was actually prosecuted as part of the sedition trial, I believe, a seditious conspiracy. They were conspiring to cause insubordination on military and obstruct recruitment of military members.

And the government didn't find this very tasteful to them because they definitely prosecuted them. Because they were preventing, you know, good men from joining the military to fight in this war. Because they believed it to be, you know, wrong and they were supporting Hitler.

And they were trying to take, do a spin on the things that were happening so that people actually be against, you know, what the government was doing at the time. Another thing Pelley did was, he was very big into the occult.

And we mentioned that, you know, these people are big into spiritualist type things. He gained a lot of notoriety in 1928 when he claimed he had out of the body experience as three of them.

He traveled to the other planes of existence. He believed these experience gave him the ability to levitate, and we remember David Walker, a little David touring with William Brannem at the time. He also claimed the ability to levitate, claimed he had these visits, maybe to heaven, whatever he had.

But everybody had these stories about how they went to heaven or how they had these spiritual experiences, and they could have these supernatural abilities, but for somebody say I can levitate, he said he could see through walls.

And then anytime he wanted to, he could have out of the body experiences. Now I do know there's actual quotes, and I haven't looked them up, but the William Brannem claimed to have many out of the body experiences in his ministry.

He even claimed he could go out and find a soul somewhere in the nether world and find out where that soul is, because at one time somebody had died, and he was asked to go find them, and he said he went out and found them, and where they were, he said you don't want to bring them back, because I guess he thought they were in heaven, or you have the family assurance that this person was in heaven, so you don't want to bring them back.

Now that was his answer, whether or not he did that or not, I'd kind of doubt it. But they were all into this kind of thing, spiritualism, pyramidism, and the occult nature of these things.

It was all a part of their ministries, which gave them that mysterious component. You know, I was trying really hard not to laugh. You were talking about the minister saying that African-Americans don't blush, and so therefore, this serpent-sea thing must be...

That is not true, man. I have had friends with black skin for years, and I can assure you that they do blush. Maybe you don't see the blushing in all of the people, but you do see blushing.

It is a... They're humans. We cannot say that they are not human, and they don't blush, because they blush. It's just... And it's ironic, because it was just yesterday, I recorded an episode, it'll come out long before this one, but with Steve Montgomery talking about propaganda in the NAR.

And you're talking about UFOs and the occult, and all of these different things that entered into this Christian identity movement, which was a pseudo-religious movement. And what it was was propaganda. The UFOs, these people used the UFO craze to create propaganda of fear, to come into this thing, and religious leaders were doing it.

I mean, you can go find, I don't know, how many books that Gordon Lindsay wrote on UFOs, and you find William Bram, I'm doing the same thing. You can find... You go through the ladder rain and search ladder rain ministers, and you'll find all of them are preaching this UFO thing.

And in today's world, this wouldn't fly. You could not take such pseudo-science as black people not blushing. Your average person is going to hear this, and they're going to say, well, I can go to the internet.

I can search, do they blush or do they not. And you find ministers who are still trying to uphold this propaganda thing, they're still teaching this weird thing, and it's not sticking because now we have the information age, you can go look it up.

Well, back in the days of Latter-Ein and all of the birth of Christian identity, you didn't have this. The average person could not easily act as information. And so propaganda was quickly spreading. And you know, you mentioned the fascism.

It's really interesting that you had the rise of fascism, you had the rise of Nazis and all of this, who were using propaganda strategies on the United States. That's documented history. That's not even conspiracy theory.

They were using propaganda in the United States and they were using religious propaganda because before there was a Facebook or almost said Twitter, I think it's called X now. Before there were any of these things that could spread propaganda back then, you had religion.

You had all of these revivalists. So the best way if you wanted to spread propaganda through the nation, you did it through religion. Yeah, it was no different back then than it is today.

People take a story and they believe it to be true and they spread it before they've even vetted whether it was true or not. So it was happening back then. So the propaganda's probably got traction where they didn't expect it from people that were gullible.

But I think back then, people were more gullible than they are today because we didn't have access to information, they believed. And they trusted those ministers. Ministry was always a trusted profession. And it was only in this 20th century, I guess it became a very suspect profession for a lot of people.

And it still is today, even the 21st century, we find many ministers proving to be not what they say they are. So we're finding that to be true. So beginning in 1931, there was an article, Davis was operating, of course, in Jeffersonville.

And he, of course, doing what he does best, he takes money to try to use it for his own purposes. So he was charged with taking money under false pretenses. And this was in regard to taking a loan, own mortgage that was not valid, $450 from this lady, mistress Cain, to do some repairs on the church.

I mean, he may have tried to use that to fix up the church that he had bought at the time to turn it into a church. But I think the church that he bought actually closed down and he took it over.

And so they made a loan, but it was turned out to be an invalid mortgage. So he was accused of that. And then we found in 1933 and April, this is where we get back into the garrison family.

And we know for sure there's, you know, the evidence. This is 100% that Willie May Garrison, the mother of Ali Lee, was there in the church, because she's in a play, she was the Mary Magdalene in the play that they had, and that was in April of 1933.

And then she's also conducting the services on Sunday morning in February of 1934. So that's where the women preached her idea. And I guess that William Brownham mentioned that he had a rift with Davis on was because there's a lot of women being mentioned in Davis's ministry.

Perhaps all that was left of Davis's ministry, that time was a lot of the women because most of the men that were good men left and somehow Davis managed to keep the women loyal to him.

But he must not have kept enough men to be able to conduct services because we got Willie May Garrison conducting the services Sunday morning, sister Ada Brown conducting devotional service Sunday night. And so Davis's cocky mind, I guess you could say, is a future wife.

She stayed with him and he began to call her by a different name after his arrest in October 1930, beginning in the papers we find. He began to call her by Granny. And that was a pretty sly move because for one thing Granny implies that she's a lot older than she is because you don't call somebody Granny, perhaps, without them being a little bit older, more his age.

And it was more of a nickname for, but that, that nickname Granny stuck with her for the next 10 years or more until they got to California and even in California, when we found they, they conducted the singing conventions, we may not get to it today.

We may have to postpone that till next episode, but when they started conducting their conventions out in California to promote their ideas, she was called Granny at that time as well. This started back in Jeffersonville when they had that.

So they talked about the characters and the play. He did this all to hide her identity because at times throughout the West, as he went into Oklahoma and so forth, he called her his daughter.

And she was known as his daughter because he did have a real daughter, Catherine, at the time too, that was right there with him about the same age, but he started calling her his daughter, so I made it legitimate because he could say he did have a daughter.

And this was his daughter. People didn't know the difference, but will he make and don't it? She probably saw it as a ticket for her daughter to have a good, financially secure life. And will he may eventually follow Davis all the way to Texas because they're all together in the very end.

But in the meantime, while Davis is building his empire here in September 1933, he has a convention of the first annual convention of the Pentecostal Babes Church of God and it opened during that time and he invited his brothers, you know, W.L. Davis came from Louisiana with scheduled to speak, be an principal speaker.

I believe Dan Davis was out. already there, had his own church, so they were probably all involved, and all that continued to try to build an empire there for Davis. But interesting thing is, by February 1934, Davis's church was mentioned for the last time in the papers, and that's when his church actually burned, was in February 1934, and so it ceased to be mentioned in the papers.

And right after that in March, we find more of Davis's antics. He had actually gotten with a widow who was called Miss Eacon, and he actually convinced her to sign her estate over to him, and this was the most devastating thing he ever did in Jeffersonville, I think, or the most sneaky, cunning things he ever did, because he basically tried to take the property of this lady out from under the family where she had a living will already in place.

He convinced her to do another will, and it eventually made it into the courts. She died, and then he was trying to lay claim to the estate there. And so that was very sneaky, because it was all about the money there in Jeffersonville, and I think people became wise to it.

He hangs around Jeffersonville after his church burns, and of course William Brown takes over his congregation, they ended up building a church later. We find in the mid-1930s, and Brown begins to be the pastor of the church, and Davis is kind of out of the picture, but he's still ministering around Jeffersonville.

We find him in the papers to around 1935, and then at that time, that Allie Lee and Davis take to the road, take a big road trip, and they end up in California. So if you do do a study on the newspaper articles of Davis, it's pretty much routine church from the 1930s, after he started his church in 1930, and took half of Ralph Raider's congregation with him.

And I believe the papers mentioned he was up to about 500 people in the congregation, and one article, but Brown was in there, and then all the women started leading services. And by 1934, of course, the church burned, and then he was left without a home.

And William Brown even mentioned they were like sheep scattered without a shepherd. So I don't know what went with the church, but a portion of that group actually became William Brown's congregation of 50 to 100 people at the time, and they eventually built their own church in the mid-30s.

But this was about the time that Davis was falling out of favor with a lot of people in Jeffersonville, because of his antics of trying to take money under false pretenses. I mean, that was what he was really after.

The clan had diminished in his recruiting efforts, and speeches for the clan were diminishing. He wasn't getting much money from that at that time, and these organizations, so religion wasn't quite getting in there.

So now he tries to steal the state of a widow from the very family that... that should have gotten these state and eventually ends up a court over it. But we're gonna find out in the later episode how he's ready to go on the road now with Ali Lee as they're gonna try to build an organization and influence throughout the West.

So this episode has been quite a wild ride. We've got all of these scattered pieces and then we keep going back to Davis and I'm certain the listeners are thinking, well how do I tie all this together?

We've got everything from, you know, the Bible colleges out West to the 2C doctrine and here's Davis in this young girl in stealing money, how do I tie all this together, right? Well, so let's sum up this episode because the next one's where we get into how this really matters.

So we talked about how the anti-Semitism and the white supremacy spread, especially through people like Howard Rand and the Anglo-Saxon Federation, the Dearborn Independent with Henry Ford and William Cameron and then it got into religion.

You've got, you know, people like Gerald Winrod who was the, who called the Kansas Hitler, the J. Hawk Nazi, he's going into the Pentecostalism and fundamentalism and in Jeffersonville where it seems like it's fully unrelated.

You have the second in command of the 1915 Ku Klux Klan, the first in command, William Joseph Simmons, he's out of the picture, he's no longer has the, he no longer has the clout that he had before and the Klan is kind of in disarray because the Indiana Klan, which was the largest Klan organization for its era, it had almost disbanded over the things that happened with DC Stevenson.

So Klan's disbanded, anti-Semitism, racism had spread, this fertile field had been laid. And now, think about the white supremacy agenda and the propaganda that's coming from the protocols of the learned elders of Zion.

Would those two begin to fuse and many, many people in Pentecostal religion and fundamentalist religion were accepting this. And this is very, very shortly before the formation of the UPCI. So you had all of these various splinter groups of Pentecostalism at this time.

So Davis creates a Pentecostal organization called the Pentecostal Baptist Church of God, whose headquarters is in Jeffersonville, Indiana. And there were many satellite churches. William Brannum was a minister and evangelist for this movement.

He was basically a bishop in that Pentecostal organization and Brannum had multiple churches that he facilitated when Davis got ran out of town. Brannum had the Jeffersonville church and then he had one just, I think it's west of here.

There was another one. indefinitely. There were probably more. Those are the only two that we have history remaining of. And all of this is being set up right before the UPCI forms. So as all of these Pentecostal organizations begin to come together, you have Branum trying to join his organization into it.

He doesn't succeed, but what he did was far greater. When you think about the birth of the Laterane movement, and you think about all of the key elements of doctrine that established that movement, it was established on the notion that the church had become apostate, and that the church had been invaded by this apostate religion, the Catholics, and you know, and whatnot. Well, that was part of the propaganda that had spread with the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. Religious leaders claimed that Catholicism had merged with the Jewish conspiracy to invade religion, education, politics, etc. And if you take all of that away, if you

remove that fertile field, Laterane does not exist. And if you carry it a step further into today's world, if you take all that away, the seven mountain mandate of the NAR does not exist.

So now we're talking about the birth of what would eventually become the NAR. So I feel like this has been so much packed into one episode, John. It's kind of hard to talk through it, but glad we went through this. Yeah, I'm very glad we went through it too, John. And I like how you brought it all together and how you can see all this is coming together. And what we see today is very much what started there in the thirties. And it's just an amazing history to watch it unfold.

But yeah, it does start with the premise that the Church is apostate. And that was actually nothing new. I mean, there was other cult groups that started such as, you know, we could talk about other groups that always start with that premise where the Church is apostate. So we must be the true Church. And so every group and the sect that wants to break away from the mainstream, that's what they generally point to is that you're all apostates and we're the true Church.

And Davis was very much wanting to, you know, this was the start of it here very early on. And he was basically spearheading, you know, the start of these Pentecostal organizations that would hold all this ideology within it. And then which eventually became the latter reign.

Like you said, if you take away those those components there, it just all falls apart. And you know, basic Christianity should be what only remains. But take well those components that holds that group together, which is the fear, the end of days, you know, the spiritualism, the mystical aspects of it, you know, that they can take the word and do with the word of God Please they can call everybody else apostate and we're the true church But yeah, you you take all that away and you just go back to basic Christianity You don't need all that you know that that just falls apart

Exactly and to sum it up even further the NAR really could not exist without this Christian identity None of it would really hold together But I'm excited for the next one and we'll get into the spreading of this thing with the next episode So if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web You can find us at William-Branum.org For more information about Roy Davis and William Branum Read the persuasive preacher the gifted prophet and the noble politician For more information about the dark side of Latter-Rain read weaponized religion from Latter-Rain to Cologneia Dignidad

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