Converging Apostasy: A "Swift" Trip to the NAR

Hello, and welcome to another episode. Of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast, I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-Brannum.org and together we're examining the themes of apostasy in the new Apostolic Reformation and its history.

Steve is good to be back and I'm a little excited today. We're talking through Wesley Swift, which is if you've looked at my research in my book, it's a main topic of interest because he seemed to have the keys that unlocked so many doors of my research.

I grew up in the Brannum cult. I was taught that William Brannum, I was taught from birth that William Brannum brought this very racist, anti-Semitic doctrine called Brannum, called it the Serpent Seed as a quote-unquote divine mystery to the church that he was restoring and he claimed he advertised himself as a restore of the church back to the original condition and had no idea that that original condition was racism.

This quote-unquote mystery, whenever I discovered that Wesley Swift was the origin of it, I was just a little blown away. Charles, who does the podcast with me, he's the one who set me off down that path of research, but as soon as you link Wesley Swift to all of these pieces of the puzzle that we have, they all just suddenly fit together.

Yeah, John, so my introduction to Wesley Swift was actually I was assisting in doing some exit counseling for people in Moses David Berg's cult, the Children of God. And the head counselor, he said, so you know a little bit about Manifest Sons of God stuff. I said, yeah, I looked at it and I was talking about Bill Britton and other guys like that.

He says, well, check this out. Let me know what you think. And so he showed me some of the writings of Wesley Swift. And I said, yeah, it's Manifest Sons of God Laterane stuff, but it's like kind of like a high octane. It's like really bizarre, additional information.

And some of the things that I noticed were his UFO biology. and the Pyramid staff and Enic staff. And so, by looking at what he's talking about, this actual fit, a request of one of our listeners, he was saying, can you tell me more about the Pyramids and about the aliens in UFO business?

And how does this really fit with what we're talking about? Well, if you go to Willie Brannum, Jim Jones, as you know, John, and also Wesley Swift, you see this is a fairly big component.

And I kind of generalize and look at that as the great return would be a way to put it, because especially with Wesley Swift, you see everything from the so-called watchers who are sort of like the great cloud of witness, how do you vault characters that are up there ready to help us?

And actually, Wesley Swift had a couple of sermons you were not alone, which anybody who's seen the ancient astronaut TV shows and movies, you see, hey, that's right up there, Ali. And so, another question that's come up, and I know you've pointed this out several times, John, is people over here who were talking about him, they say, that is so far removed from anything that I've seen, and say like average charismatic or independent, not a denominational church, or just a regular evangelical church.

And the answer is yes, it is pretty far gone. And so, one of the big questions is how close is racist Christianity, a racist Christian identity, rather, to the weaponized narrative, you've got that in your very excellent book, weaponized religion.

So, to answer this question, we really need to look and see that the NAR is, in fact, influenced by the lettering movement and by the manifest sons of God ministries. Why? Because some of the prophets that taught this manifest sons of God doctrine and the lettering movement, they also taught Christian identity things.

So, that leads to another conclusion. This means that to the extent that the NAR reaches back to the lettering things, and it does, and that it reaches back to its prophets, to that extent the NAR is vulnerable, and opened to Christian identity.

So, I have a little list of some of the more problematic, so-called prophets from the lettering, that did, in fact, teach either serpency, preademic man, or they denigrate of the Jews in some other fashion.

And so, of course, it goes to William Brannum, Moses David Berg, Terry Christ, David Ebal, he's an interesting fellow because he's sort of an apprentice, you could say, of Bill Britton, and then have George Hardin often looked at as one of the founding apostles of the laddering.

And role-crankist, role-crankist, rather, Jay Preston, E.B., and as I mentioned, Bill and interestingly, these last four folks that I mentioned, these prophets, are borrowed and plagiarized from the works of the 17th Century Mystic, Jane Lee, which I've mentioned several times in our podcast.

So you can also take these connections to problematic prophets in another direction and bring it in a little bit more to current day teachers. So those are the, they were influenced by the laddering and then say the church's spiritual Israel, which is kind of getting no borderline there, or that they, the Jews are somehow completely rejected by God.

Those include the manifest sons of God, teacher, buddy, Cobb, who is the successor of Sam Fife's, the move, which is a laddering cult. Then you have somebody in the 1980s, the kingdom message, prophets, so-called, Earl Paul.

And you also had the Naur affiliated Grinchal. She's no longer with us, but she's highly influential on anything that had to do with spiritual warfare, a big deal, of course, in the Naur. And she was very tight with the same usual guys, you know, like Bill Hammond and Cindy Jacobs.

You know, I get asked that question a lot whenever I'm talking about the NAR people, and then I'm tracing the trails through history, which goes right back to the anti-Semitism, the racism, etc. People will say, well, how do you make that connection?

The NAR people that we see are not racist. And by and large, they're probably not, but the key that unlocked all of this for me, there's a book called Religion and the Racist Right written by Michael Barkun.

Its full title is Religion and the Racist Right, the origins of the Christian identity movement. Barkun was excellent at piecing together how British Israelism came into the United States and how it evolved into the very anti-Semitic, very dangerous Christian identity movement.

And he traces you through that lineage into the explosion of, I mean, it goes all the way up to the neo-Nazis and the very bad thing. that were happening. But if you study that trail, he was missing a few pieces from Latter-Rain, which caught my eye, and that's what made me want to dive deeper from my book. If you follow his trail, he leads you through the Anglo-Saxon Federation of America, and its inception and birth, and obviously the protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, which was anti-Semitic propaganda.

Well, there was a period of time in which all of that was considered to be, quote unquote, sound theology. And buried within that theology was pyramidology because they were trying to say that the pyramid was a time marker written by God so that we could understand when the world shall end and we can predict it. And it became a predictor of the end of the world of sorts.

And that's kind of how we got into this weird mess. But what really caught my eye is the timeline that Barcoon gives is very clear and undeniable in the shift from British Israelism, which wasn't quite racist. It had racist themes, but it wasn't anything like Christian identity.

In that timeline, as it's transitioning into the anti-Semitism and the racism and about the time it's bringing in all of this weird pyramidology, that's the time in which Gordon Lindsay is speaking at conferences for the Anglo-Saxon Federation of America, of which Wesley Swift was also a key figure. So when you consider that Gordon Lindsay was in it at the point in which it had become racist, and then consider that Lindsay is working with Brannum, who is working directly with the head of the Ku Klux Klan, and Lindsay is the one, if you remember, after Brannum died, he started this, he and Brannum had started some sort of a

school where they were teaching how to, basically, the Christian version of the Catholic exorcisms.

They were teaching this nonsense, and Brannum died, Lindsay took it over, and that became Christ for the nations, that institution. And then he started working with key figures and charismatic movement, and et cetera, it went on through time. Well, that trail is clearly there, it's undeniable, but that isn't to say that these people continued to be racist. It's just that in their history, they have this lineage where it gets really interesting for me with Wesley Swift Swift was tied to the Angeles Temple, and if you think like the spokes on a wagon wheel, you've got all of these things coming out of the Angeles Temple's Life Bible College that are,

it all comes together. It's like It is the hub of all of this. Even the Latter-Rain movement, it's almost erased history by now, but if you go back and you look, the Angeles Temple was helping fund the Sharon Orphanage, or the figures involved.

And all of that is exploding into what became Latter-Rain. And again, you look at the list of figures in Latter-Rain and judge by some of their statements that have not been erased by time.

And you see that back in the day, they were very, very racist and anti-Semitic. Yeah, that's true. And the part about how this one then get from

the lighter forms of all this stuff, maybe somebody's been influenced by the Latter-Rain, but truly does not have racist views, at least not what we're talking about. How do they progress into that? Well, one of the ways that they can really make that leap is something that I've referred to again and again, and that is ongoing revelation.

So if you go back all the way to Jane Leade, she literally says, even if the revelations of the prophets transcend what's listed in scripture, what we should look to is good sound doctrine, go with it because the spirit of God is not done yet, he's gonna keep revealing things to the prophets.

Well, you can hear that kind of stuff in the in the norm. So that also can lead groups and peoples open to some of these more racist ideas. And people that I think are in particularly interesting in that aspect would be not only brilliant, but George Harden, because he did make that jump into the racist ideas.

And I'm not really sure that somebody sat down, excuse me, and talked with him about that, or that he had a book that told him about those things. But somehow another, it got into his teaching.

It also got into role. Cronquest, Bill Britten, and some of the other guys are related to the beginning of the latter reign. So Sweth, then, he uses doctrines that are at home, naturally, with the latter reign and the manifestants of God teachings and white supremacists.

So, maybe the sermons that I'm gonna refer to here, were given in the very turbulent times of the mid to late 60s. So who is this Wesley Sweth, then? What else do we know about him?

Besides what you said, John, I find a very excellent resource. It's called Christian Identity, a Christian. in religion for white races. This is written by Viola Larson's. And she says that the merging of clan and Nazi extremism can be seen in the identity movement, true.

It can largely be traced to one man, Wesley Aswett. She adds that his connections to Nazism of Hitler's Germany are unquestionable. So she really supports this concept I was saying about ongoing revelations and how they're put into practice, which can lead you from latering folks.

And you know that nowadays groups like Bethel, Bethel Church, you have people praying for the mantle of William Brandon. Does that instantly make them full-blooded racist? No, but it does mean you're talking about like a spoke.

The spokes of a wheel. I was talking about this with somebody the other day on how this stuff is always available. It's sort of like somebody standing deep in mud and reaching out of hand as somebody who's in less mud and they're reaching out of hand to use on the shore where they're not getting mud at all.

Well, what happens is through that connection, one can be solid and soiled more by that connection that they have. And the fact that they, as we use this comment from the Bible, they do have itching ears.

They're waiting for the latest, the most amazing prophecy and the coolest revelation that they can get to hold them. So this is another way that they can pull people into this sort of stuff.

So another thing that Larsen says is because many identity adherents or people with a history of looking for new truths, they often come to your identity, bringing some of their unique doctrines which include the fringe teachings of the manifest sense of God and a lead group of the church who say they will bring in the kingdom.

Well, yeah, she hit that right on the head because that's truly what has happened. And then you have people like Eldon Purvis, who we talked about before, who clearly started with lettering ideas and manifestions of God teachings and then made his way into just the worst disgusting forms of racism.

So where do I get my information about Swift? Well, I can point you to John's website and also to his new book on weaponized religion, excellent sources. And just on my own, I've read all of the sermons that Swift has available on.

find that they're replaced online by Ella Rose Mast. If anybody has a stomach for it, there's also speeches from Hitler, and it's pretty bad stuff, but anyway, that's a person that has this Ella Rose Mast.

So, John and Larson's insights in mine, where will the ongoing revelations of the profits of the current day nor stop? You know, that's a question that I ask myself, because I would have thought, when William Brandham died in 1965, and all of his many prophecies that he was to fulfill, died with him, I would have thought that the whole movement would have just disbanded, but what happened was quite different.

By the time that he had reached the end of his life, by the late 60s, he had formed what became a deity cult, wherein the people in his deity cult thought that he was God in the flesh.

And T.L. Osborne, who was very big in the word of faith, prosperity gospel movement, at William Brandham's memorial service, T.L. Osborne openly admitted, and he said, he knew that people would call him sacrilegious for saying it, but he openly admitted that William Brandham was God in the flesh.

And T.L. Osborne worked directly with Elden Purvis, who you just mentioned. At the same time, all of this is going on. Gordon Lindsay is raking in money from all of the many things that he and Brandham were doing.

Gordon Lindsay begins publishing, who is the next Elijah? And that was another thing that I really, it took me a while to digest how big of a problem that was, because British Israelism had taken the notion that you could take specific passages of the Old Testament, and then apply them to today.

And one of those being Malachi four, with Malachi chapter four, where it says, behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet. Well, they believe that instead of that being John the Baptist, that this was going to happen, it did happen with John the Baptist, and now it happens again.

That's what they were believing. Well, Gordon Lindsay is teaching this in Christ for the nations. And you have Teal Osborne, many, you know, they're all working, collaborating in many ways, earned Baxter, who was Brandham's partner in the Revivals.

He starts the shepherding movement. He's working with Purvis. You've got Teal Osborne working with Purvis, and all of these guys are working together. And they believe some really, really bad stuff. It's not just the racism that we're talking about here, but when you have a deity cult that is worshipping the dead guy, who was the prophet and leader of the latter reign, who was a white supremacist working with the highest ranking white supremacists in the nation?

That shows a clear trail of racism that's, it's purely undeniable. Again, many of these people later, at least some of them gave it up and they said this is wrong, but there was a point in time in which they were all collaborating.

John, that's a wonderful tie-in to the next thing I have in my notes here, so thank you very much. I called it, and you know, this has a lot to do with the main premise of my book that converges in apostasy.

As you have different streams, I thought, they really overlap, but they begin to literally merge, and people begin to promote others that have maybe slightly different angles. And you hear that with the cry for unity today to bring in the positive confession folks, the word of faith folks, and bring them under the banner or at least work side by side with the North Folk.

And some of the people on the really deep end of that stuff nowadays, who usually call themselves present truth folks, they also feed into this. And again, there's this connection where there's a hand reaching out, and so somebody who's not totally into the present truth folks, who usually has some racist ideas, because that's one of the deeper teachings.

Maybe somebody doesn't have that, but it could be another analogy that I had in my book, which hopefully people won't relate to in personal experience, but sort of like the connection between a teenager experimenting with what they usually call gateway drugs.

Maybe they're smoking marijuana on the weekends, but they begin to associate with people who either take or sell, or both, so-called harder drugs. And it doesn't make them a participant or an addict with say heroin or cocaine, but what it does is it sure increases the likelihood of it beginning to happen.

So I think that kind of analogy also applies to this stuff we're talking about. As far as a convergence goes, the next part I was saying that John really kind of set up was I'm thinking of a meeting of the minds.

So Swift draws from the revelations of three main areas, one, Laterane Manifest Sons of God Ideas, to all the white supremacist trash, and three, he has quite a bit of repackaged occultic teachings. And that sounds odd, you know, people say, well, what is occultism?

Well, if you look into it, Swift had a lot of it. So here's a few of the extra biblical sources. of inspiration is swift used. One, of course, he has the myths about the superiority of the air and race. Two Atlantis, I call this love to talk about that. Three stonehenge, yeah, that's a big one for the jurids. Five, the writings of Egyptians, he calls in a great prophet, Horus, 60 Egyptian book of the dead.

Seven, and this one is a real big one for the esoteric world. The capitalistic Zohar, I think they even made a goofy name. I mean a goofy movie about that one time. I forgot the the whole premise of it, but yeah, so that's a big one in the occultic world. Eight, this is something that's very, very big and influenced all the occultists, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Swift actually has a sermon where he says, do the Dead Sea Scrolls support and legitimize Christian identity, of course, in his sermon he reasons that they do. The gnostic apocalypse of Paul, definitely was not in the Bible. The esoteric version

of the book of Enic occultists love that. Also, well in Branagh loved it. 11 astrology, 12 uapology, and the pyramidology. So, I mean, he taught all kinds of other stuff, especially the bit about there's a giant fleet of UFOs coming to wage war against the non-whites and bringing the kingdom and all that kind of nonsense. Swift was also familiar with a really big name in the occult world, Levi or Levy H. Dowling and his the Acra and Gospel of Jesus Christ, and he also even points out a few things that show that he's knowledgeable about Helen

Blavaski and her Theosophical Society, and you can't get any bigger than her in the occultic world. He also often refers to the kingdom of God in an odd way, which fits the third Reich kind of angle, but also fits with the occult world, and it's kind of hard to pull those things apart if you look into it. They really relate to each other. So, he uses words for the kingdom of God like the new order and the new age, and he says, now this is a big one here.

He says that the pre-Christian mystery religion passed on the ancient wisdom and that they can vary the Christian identity belief system. I've seen that from from people besides Swift, for instance John Lann Blash, who doesn't even claim to have anything to do with Christianity except Valentinian Nostasis, and that's as close as he gets, but he says the same thing about the mystery religions, and he also says, oddly enough, that Sophia is the true Lucifer, and I haven't really seen that in Swift, but I have seen some other odd things that sort of point in that direction, but there's just so much that Swift had to say

that either came from manifest sons of God, and this is what I'm saying about convergence, when you get to a point, the manifest sons of God teachers, and the present truth teachers, essentially have made their ways into the esoteric world. So, if you say that Swift and Christian identity are drawing from the esoteric world, well, who's going along with it? Well, you got manifest sons of God folks that grew up in the latter end would have been, and so you get this big hodgepodge of folks that are willing to, as I hear commonly said in the argument, willing to

put aside petty differences to work for a greater good. Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started, or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic and other fringe movements into the new apostolic reformation?

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or watching. On behalf of William Brannum Historical Research, we want to thank you for your support. You use the word Hodgepodge to describe all of this mess comes together. I use the phrase, the word cross-pollination, because as you're trying to trace the lineage, a lot of researchers make the mistake of trying to see a direct trail wherein one guy influences another influences another.

You're not going to find that, because like you said, it's a Hodgepodge, and also there's the the other mistake people make is that whenever there isn't a direct trail, they use the word indirect, and which totally cuts the guy off.

off. And that's really not what's happening here. It is a cross-pollination. You have a person who comes up with an idea, you have another person who comes up with an idea. These guys are all networked together. And in these networks that later became the networks of the new apostolic reformation, ironically. But they're cross-pollinating. They're teaching each other weird things. And like you mentioned, they're not biblical things. They're really weird things.

Spiritualism and UFOs and all kinds of nonsense. And dating back to you, I want to say it was the early 50s. Whenever William Brannum saw the popularity of the UFO craze and he started bringing that into his sermons, it became widespread throughout the Laterane movement.

And so you've got the Laterane guys doing that over here. Well, Wesley Swift is starting to do the same thing about the same time. And he's not a Laterane guy, but they're cross-pollinating. You know, they're all connected through these Christian identity circles. And then they later develop into Brannum took his doctrine of the UFOs all the way to claim that when the rapture happens, a UFO will come down and take us away. That's how how weird this got, right? Well, like you said, they went outside of the Bible for the sources to create these divine revelations.

And they didn't use the word in Laterane Sophia, but they're essentially teaching the essence of Sophia. They're saying that we can't trust the words of the Bible is basically the stance that they took. Instead, let's go to other sources. And by reading the Bible through those other sources, then we can have the true divine mystery that was being revealed to the church.

And the way Brannum taught it was that Christ and God in heaven purposefully confused the church so that there would be the small group that he could take away. That was the essence of his teaching, which is nonsense if you really think about it. But they used lots of different texts to do this.

One of them, Brannum's entire rapture theology, he taught the pre-tribulation rapture. And William Brannum taught that Enoch typed the church. He used that phrase typed, that word typed. He would say, basically, Enoch represented the church and he was carried away and God took him away.

While Noah was the representation of the messed up church, basically. And William Brannum chose to ignore the timeline that's given clearly in the Bible, to put Noah as a contemporary to Enoch. In other words, Enoch had to be on the earth much, much longer than 365 years as the Bible states, in order to be on the earth at the same time as Noah, and Brannum put the date at 500 years, Enoch lived on the earth, which the Bible says clearly 365.

Well, if you understand where that came from, it came from the book of Enoch, and the book of Enoch was used widespread throughout all of these movements. Whenever the UFO craze came, the watchers that are mentioned in the book of Enoch, Brannum said that these saucers that you see, they're the guardian angels coming down, and preparing to take us home.

He got it directly out of the book of Enoch, as did he get his divine revelation nonsense about the rapture theology from a UFO. So that leads me to my next note here, which is slightly sarcastic, where is William Brannum when you really need him?

Okay, so I do have a couple of topics here that fit what you're talking about, Enoch and Melchizedek. So, Swift says, or said, that God carried Enoch into the heavens where angels taught him how to build the great witness of the pyramid in the Abraham, and I mentioned that a few times.

And then once there's this sermon by Swift, it's called Michael, of course he's talking about the angel, he calls him the prince of space, and you can bet that that sermon has a lot about UFOs in it.

And in the sermon, Swift says, it's special angels like the watchers gave Enoch his knowledge of science and technology. Well, again, if you go into the, you know, ancient astronaut stuff, and if you get into Blavatsky and Alice Bailey and their influence on folks that are into UFO cults, this is their language.

This is what they talk about. Then going back to, you know, what I've talked about a bunch, it's in my book, documenting examples of taking dominion or feeling that the elite have the privilege and the responsibility to be in command, you know, like I said, the Norwoods said, the Seven Mountains.

So dominion in purge. So this is a sermon of Swift's called Knowledge of a New Age. God's plan, according to him, includes the idea that the earth will be governed differently. That does sound quite a bit like Alice Bailey.

If the list is starting to hear Alice Bailey is, it's, it's pretty interesting if you talk about convergence, how her ideas, her ideas of the quote the end times. which Christians would talk about, how they converge with all this stuff we're talking about, including down to the anti-Semitic thought that she had.

So how will the earth be governed differently? Well, Swift tells you in his other story called the New Order of the Ages, all transgressors, he says, will be swept off the face of the earth? Hmm, he's not exactly saying who, but spoiler alert, he does say, so elsewhere in different sermons. Here's one called the heavenly light, that's the sermon. He says, our good old Shakinah glory connects you to a celestial being, which will let you do all things and restore you to the dominion that belonged to Adam. So as far as that hand reaching out to others, I mean, he's in the deep end of the pool, Swift is, he's

got really flown out of his ears and out of his mouth. I mean, it's just ridiculous. But the fact that he has this common bond with, say, people in the Kingdom message, which would have been John and Anne Jimenez, Kelly Varner, kind of halfway manifest sons of God, halfway Kingdom message or a palk, all of the skies are dominionist. And so if somebody says, whoa, prophet palk, I've never heard stuff like this before, but check out this and they even take segments of it, bits of it. And I bring this point up when I talk about Kabbalah and people

say, oh yeah, yeah, you know, manifest sons of God later in fact, they don't, they don't believe that. That's a cultic doctrine. Well, Franklin Hall did, he drew ideas from Kabbalah, so did Bill Burton, so did the Royal Crown quest. And there's list of others. Oh, David Ebaugh is another one. And so they did. And the way I look at it is this, just like gateway drugs and hardcore drugs. The fact that you're getting anything from Kabbalah makes you more likely to get other things from Kabbalah. So likewise, we're swift, this talk of dominion, even though he's

thrown in some crazy stuff about celestial beings, he does have a commonality with the ideas of regaining dominion. So here's a little bit further on that, excuse me, the man's child, which we actually did a podcast on that, the man's child, which is big time stuff for laterally manifest sons of God and dominion. So, Swift has a sermon that's called the woman clothes with the sun. This is where manifest sons of God get their ideas about the essentially elite divine man's child company, they call it. So, Swift says, true church has the responsibility of carrying out the mighty works to bring in the new age.

Okay. Then he says, the age of restoration. In that sermon, he says, the new age will be the kingdom of God as a theocracy. Yep, I've heard that one before. And here on another sermon, he says, it's called the new age of the, no, excuse me, the new order of the ages.

Again, it's just the terminology that kind of hits your ear in a funny way, makes you think of more esoteric folks. He says that the ruler of the new age, capital letters, and this is all caps, is the Christ. Well, he didn't say Jesus Christ, he didn't say Jesus Christ, born of the Virgin Mary. He says, the Christ, this is the way that folks in the new age movement and Alice Bailey type folks refer to the supreme leader who will return and help them set up this so-called theocracy. You mentioned Melchizedek, which I want to expand on that just a little bit further

because I'm not certain that everybody realizes the significance of this as it relates to the NAR Laterane nonsense. Whenever a Christian is thinking about Melchizedek and thinking about the relationship between Melchizedek and Jesus Christ, if you read the book of Hebrews, for example, Melchizedek is somewhat shattered in mystery. And most Christian theologians just believe that he was a early type of Christ, basically. Well, Branum and Swift expounds on this quite a bit too. Branum used the manifested sons of God framework to claim that God manifested himself as a theophany in Melchizedek, and therefore Melchizedek was the Old Testament Jesus Christ. That was the doctrine

that I grew up with, which is complete nonsense if you really take a step back and think about it. But what they're doing, in doing so, they create a completely different religion that is esoteric. They want you to believe that human beings can be manifestations of God, like Melchizedek, and whenever you carry that doctrine forward into the NAR, it's a little bit scary because they haven't really taken it where Branum went yet. But they have created a platform of these apostles and prophets where they are the supreme authority figures, and they're one step away from

carrying it to Branum's fulfillment of this, which is they will become the modern Melchizedek, or the manifestations of God. They're like that close right now with their authoritarian control and hierarchy. But Branum set up this framework to do this, and this is one area where I go back and fourth, did it come from Swift first? Did it come from Brandham first? Was it cross-pollinated? I don't know, but I can look back as far as I want to go back in Brandham's, you know, in his sermon transcripts. And this manifestation of God is, it predates anything that I have seen from outside of

Brandham. Yeah, John. I wouldn't call it a direct trail. I've heard people do that. I agree with you. It's a mistaken way to do research. But now, Jason Deck, Feast of Tavern Eccles, all of the main components of that kind of doctrine, and Enic also, the Watchers, God's two armies, the one in Heavily's and the one here on Earth, the corporate bodies of Christ there in here, who will come in a merger. All of that can be found in the 17th century prophetess, Jane Lee. And she draws on more straight ahead Western esotericism, it would be called, where she gets the eschatology,

like the order of things that will happen before Christ is allowed to return, so that that immediately implies that things like Romans 8, you know, where there will be a manifestation of the sons of God, and the whole creation is groaning in anticipation of this. And other scriptures that refer to the glorification of the body, you know, that the Christ will change us into something more like His glorious body. All of that, according to these fellows, because of their their in time order of operations, all of this is to happen prior to an individual return of Jesus Christ. That's where they also get into trouble

with the taking dominion, because anything that says that Christ will return establishes kingdom and his role will begin. They think, and Jane Lee said this very explicitly, that that happens through the elite prior to this individual Jesus.

And it also leads to the Bill Hammond version of all this stuff, the judgment day of the purge, where he says that the written judgments of God will be taking care of prior to the return of Christ.

So that's there, and yeah, Jane Lee dug up a lot of that stuff, just worded differently from folks like, you know, you can get some of it from Valentina, some of it from Kabbalah, you can get some of it from Neo Platonism, and Paracelsus is a real interesting fellow who everybody that's that's a scholar that I've read, and we did, you know, of the difficult writings, they seem to think that Jane Leade was a paracelsus, a follower of paracelsus, and also a follower of Neoplatanist ideas.

So anyway, that's another location for this. As far as Swift goes, here's, you know, talking about convergence of ideas, this is coming from the elder purpose side, from the the William Brandon side, so he goes straight to the manifest sons of God and the sacred purge.

So in Swift's sermon called the prodigal son, he says, the manifestation of the sons and daughters of God is going to be the most important event that ever happened in history. That's pretty interesting coming from this wild racist dude that hangs out with KKK and the unazi kind of fellows and all the damage that came out of his ministry.

So what will they do, this manifestation of the sons of God? In a sermon that he literally titled, the manifestation of the sons of God, he says the sons will purge out all who should not be there.

So early, I just talked about, you know, there's destruction coming. That becomes much more specific. The sons of God will purge them out. And he says, you know, this has been said many times from Joseph Smith, you know, of the Mormons to whoever, Earl Polk said this, says, when God has children, they will be just like him.

Earl Polk said, God has gods, dogs have puppies. So we, therefore likewise, are gods, you know. And then also, Swift said this in the age of restoration, you're talking about brain of being a restorationist.

That would be interesting to cross reference that in this sermon, Swift says, the Christ and this is all caps of God are the body of Christ. That is interesting because Bill Britton, who I'm not aware of having direct connections with Swift, he was more like in the overall ladder rain, the sons of God teachings, which made him controversial, but not quite this far gone.

But one of his big teachings was the body of Christ is Christ. And that idea got a lot of mileage. And you can see it with George Warnex, Feast of Tavern Eccles, and again, like you're talking about typifying things, Bill Britton was very fond of saying, you know, he's finding stuff in the Old Testament and getting deeper revelations.

So he says, he says here a little there, a little that line upon line. on precept upon precept, he was getting types and shadows from fairly obscure old Testament writings. Here's where it gets really weird for me.

You have William Brannum, who's working with Roy Davis, who was the, you later became the Imperial Wizard of the Clan. You've got Wesley Swift, who's working directly with Gerald LK Smith, who was leading the Clan in California.

Smith and Davis were both also working together in various missions to lead white supremacy groups, and the government was after them obviously in various ways trying to stop them. Whenever people are at that level where they're trying to evade the feds, the platform that they had for religion was also a platform of messaging.

So the things that they said in their sermons could be doctrinal beliefs that they had. They could also be messages to the people who are listening, who are in the growing army, which gets really, really interesting when you think of the fact that through all of these movements, Joel's army was a constant theme, and that continued after Brannumism.

We see now that as the same network that is creating the NAR. I couldn't put it in the book because the book was historically, I tried to keep it historically focused and not conspiracy theory, which this would edge towards.

But the question, if you read the book and if you actually understand what I wrote in that book, the question will always be there. Did these guys really believe the doctrines that they said that they're preaching, or were they sprinkled in their doctrines and their sermons, messaging for the intent of militarizing actual people during the 50s and 60s?

I can tell you with assurance that many things that William Brannum said that were his core doctrines changed from city to city, and so those things, he did not believe them at all. He did not have a doctrinal position on them, and so I've also tried to go through some of those things and try to identify, well, if that was used as a message, how could I use it?

And they'll never be an answer to this because he's dead, you can't ask him. But the question is always there. So that leads me to the biggest concern of all, Paul Kane, who was William Brannum's protégé, helped reinstitute the Joel's army into, as you know, the IHOPKC, and then that became a fundamental element of the NAR.

So then the question is further raised. What is this? Yeah, and that's actually part of my notes here too, John. I'm just thinking Joel's army passed in present, which you're talking about, is... right up that line of thinking.

Keeping it to some of the sermons because I kind of get this idea that people would prefer not to go to that website and read all of Swiss sermons and look at Hitler's ugly face and think about, oh my gosh, and where's this stuff leading people?

But straight from the horse's mouth, Swiss said in a sermon called the Gorif God, a time of transition was spoken of by the Joel, the prophet. Yeah, you know, and the people were talking about would agree to that.

And something that he had a sermon about, he called it the Heavenly Light. He says the armies of heaven will join the armies of earth and all the powers of darkness will be crushed.

Well, you can literally get that from Jane's lead and there's scripture that you can twist on a certain way to support this. And of course, it's an insupportable idea that they apply it, but these fellows are real apt to wanna get a holer scripture to kind of produce this stuff.

So other than Jane's lead, one of her latering disciples was Bill Britton. He also talked about the two armies coming together. And then you had Gwynne Shaw again and Gwynne Shaw and Bill Hammond, they sound like the same person sometimes, although Hammond's getting pretty up there.

I don't know how much longer we'll have him. I think he's probably in his mid to late 80s by now. Gwynne Shaw already deceased. But like the latering prophets, Franklin Hall and Bill Britton and the gnar man, James Gole, Swiss said for as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.

Okay, that's straight ahead scripture. People interpret that in several different ways. By me communicating with Bill Britton's ministry, and I talked to, I'd seen him writing what his position was, but I wanted to verify it, so I talked to two of his associate pastors.

And both of them said this. They said, the way you interpret the scripture as there will be a flood of judgment and that flood of judgment will kill, literally get rid of those that are not with the kingdom of God.

And then those who are left will be left to inherit the kingdom. So yeah, that one's a big one. And you can hear, here's how they do doggo sales. I heard a sermon, it was actually writing the James Gole, who is a big supporter of Bill Hammond.

They were talking to our people now. So James Gole does this, he says, in the days of Noah. then he trails off. Well anybody who's aware of this stuff knows what he's doing and I know for fact and I know for sure you know that Brandon was into that kind of style presentation where he's he's he's apparently rambling and going off script you could say and he's touching on two three different ideas and the people in the know will say yeah yeah yeah I see I get the revelation I know what you're talking about so what happens with this this great great and powerful day of

the Lord according to Bill Britton and others well Swift says the overwhelming armies of God will remove the enemies from the face of the earth again you get into the agency you're not just saying God will judge you someday no you're saying who's going to take care of it who's going to make this stuff happen well he also says you are ministering spirits and you are part of this great commission of cleansing wow that's really taking the great commission of Christ and just it's beyond blasphemy it's just disgusting what he's doing with it then he did talk more about the new

age and and the book of you know and the watchers and he and I just hate to throw back in there but all this stuff about having guardian angels yeah that's that's pretty much a thing you can give from Alistair Crowley and all the new age Chandler type people then Swift says this he says at which fetch he says you're not alone there's a guardian angel for every one of you this has been said by Bill Hammond Cindy Jacobs these are just straight ahead in our people they're not like burning crosses and people's yards as far as I know but Swift claims that these

angels are subject to your command you can definitely hear that with with nor people have heard that from Dutch sheets Cindy Jacobs and Bill Hammond in particular but Lance Walnut I believe also says stuff like that so yeah so again he talks about we are not alone and does all this nonsense and then like Gwinshal then our prophetess he says that the ancient Zohar of Kabbalistic tradition contains quote all the revelations given to our race by Archangels and by messengers for me it really comes down to this the Bible that they're teaching because they're teaching it through all

of these extra biblical sources you have to read the Bible through these other sources it creates a different Bible and in doing so they create a different God and at the same time there's that us pollination happening with all of these racist ideas.

There's also this weird cross pollination that's happening among all of the different cults. And you're going to find, especially if you look through the laddering movement, different time periods, and look at the people who they're associated with.

You're going to find different cult leaders influencing the movement, and they're accepting that as divine revelation. One of the weird things that I grew up with was, we believe that Michael, the archangel Michael, was actually Jesus Christ.

And in doing so, you're making Christ less than God. You're making him just simply an angel. And in the hierarchy that's given in the Bible, the humans are above the angels, right? So this is not a biblical structure for divinity of Jesus by no means, but that's what I grew up with, and that's how weird this gets.

Yeah, and that makes me think of something that I personally think of as a type in the shadow, like what these guys talk about. And that's where Jesus is completely incensed by the fact that the temple is being used

to sell devs and to sell whatever else they wanted to sell that was not what the temple was intended for. And so he drove the people out. I mean, that's one of the cases in scripture where we really see that he was thinking, no, this is not how it's gonna be.

So again, if you think of these philous convergence from different angles working together, then what you really get is a unity among thieves and liars. Like the unity of those folks that were in the temple, doing what they ought not to do in the temple, or you could say that it's the one-defined corporate man teaching.

Okay, the Naur has this, but you can get this again from Jane Leade and from the manifest sons of God, Latter-Rain folks in 1948. So what does Swift say about this? Oh, I have to throw in another thing.

You can also get this from the straight up, straight ahead, esoteric folks, is it really into the unity of all things, almost like the Yin Yang business where you've got the left, the right, good, evil, God, devil.

They really think that all of that is one unity. So on Swift's Michael, the prince of space, court that one again, Swift says this. He says there will be a bring together all of the facets of God's household into the great and mighty Christ man, which is his many-membered body.

And he's got that on all caps again. Um, but it definitely fits, uh, the, the, the ideas that you fit, you're hearing how they's in the NAR. You do hear that in the NAR and you also see all of these themes that are extra biblical notions that are creating just a groundwork of a, the foundation for what the NAR was built upon.

And I, I've watched some of the debates where these NAR guys are defending their theology and they're saying, no, we're not like these guys before us. But if you look at the framework and you understand that their foundation is built on that same extra biblical foundation, if you take that foundation away, nothing that they have built in the NAR can continue to stand.

It has to have that. That's why they always continue to venerate these guys like William Branham. If you take Branham away, will you've taken away half of the NAR? It doesn't, it just doesn't work and it's cross-pollination.

So it's not just William Branham. You've got Swift, who's one of the most evil characters in the 50s and 60s. He's part of this and you pull hip, pull Swift away and you pull out this other part of the NAR.

So for me, I just look at all of this and I'm just bewildered that this mask can even exist because I, you know, whenever I left it, I was, I was in a movement that I was, I grew up and I was trained from birth to believe this.

But I'm watching grown adults come into it who have common sense. And this, everything that we're talking about here, denies common sense. It just, it doesn't make any sense. But thank you for doing this, Steve.

There's, there's so much here that we could continue probably for hours. But what, what we did was really fun. I enjoyed it, John. Glad to be a part of it. Well, if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.

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