Woman In Purple: Misinterpretation or Manipulation - Revival History

Hello and welcome to another episode. Of the William Brannum Historical Research Podcast, I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brannum Historical Research at William-brannum.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, minister, and friend, Charles Paisley, the founder of Christian Gospel Church.org, and the author of Come Out Of Her, My People.

Charles is good to be back. We've had so many people saying, when is Charles coming back? And I'm glad to have you back. This particular episode is something that I've been wanting to do for quite a while.

It was your idea, but I've been wanting to really go deeper on why the confrontation with my grandfather happened, and specifically the thing that was really for me, it was the turning point of me leaving the message.

There were many things that caused me to leave, but this was really the turning point. When I realized that the whole thing was not just a cult, but it was all fiction. And I'll let you introduce it, but to set up the story for you, we have got an onslaught of mail, of got phone calls, text messages, chat messages.

We got bombarded on the YouTube channel with hate messages. I'm sure some of the people have seen it, but the thing that we're talking about right now is one of William Brannum's alleged 1933 prophecies.

And I'm not going to go too deep with this, but I will throw the article up on the screen for anybody who's watching it. But even the NAR was backing William Brannum, and there was an article that hit Charisma Magazine, and the title was, was Kamala Harris Presidency foretold by an 81-year-old prophecy, because a leading figure in the NAR, I'm not going to give his name, you can read the article, but a leading figure of the NAR was claiming, this is it.

This is the big one, like Sanford Insan, if you ever seen that show, this is the big one, Elizabeth. And he was claiming that the end of the world was coming, I mean, he was insinuating that.

He didn't come out and make that claim, but because William Brannum's alleged prediction of a female president. was happening. He said that this would be fulfilled and should be elected. All of the things that went with that prophecy, that series of alleged series of seven prophecies, was going to be fulfilled if you follow it out to its logical conclusion. And that's just a brief summary. I'm going to let you fill in all of the details of what this is, why we're getting together to talk about this, why this is so significant. Oh my goodness, John. I have already rolled my eye so many times

with the things that you said in the introduction, but that's a good introduction, John. Today, we're going to look at William Brannum, one of his 1933 prophecies. And before we do this, just a couple caveats, whenever I know when we talk about especially this piece, people think we're talking about politics and so forth. We're not talking about politics. We're talking about a crazy prophecy by William Brannum about politics. So we don't necessarily reflect our political views when we talk about this. I'm sure for myself personally, John, it's not going to surprise people to hear that I am still a fairly conservative person. The things that we say are not particularly

aimed at politics here. We're analyzing what William Brannum said. So I, for myself, I just, you know, be rather clear with that. But William Brannum had this prophecy back in 1933, right? And that is the official line. Now, if our listeners remember, we did episode number 33, you can go back and find it. Hey, we even lined the numbers up there to make it easy to remember.

Episode 33 on the 1933 prophecies. And if you want more details, go check that out. But the short of it is this whole set of prophecies is a scam. William Brannum never had these in 1933.

That is totally absolutely made up and can be proven to be made up, right? Go back, check that episode out. This never happened. William Brannum invented these prophecies in the mid and late 1950s, okay? And when he did, he already told, like the first time he's telling him all, he says, they're all fulfilled, but two, right? And one of the two that he says was not fulfilled when he started telling the story in the late 50s was this prophecy about a powerful woman coming to power in the United States. And before we talk about it, let me just read the prophecy

by William Brannum. And this is from his 1960 sermon, Condemnation by Representation. This is, in this sermon, William Brannum claims to be holding in his hand a piece of yellowed paper on which he wrote the prophecies down on in 1933, okay? And there's a couple times he does this on tape where he's claiming to be reading these off the yellow piece of paper he wrote them on. So I would suggest if you want to...

know what's probably the most accurate, go look at the sermons where he's actually reading it off of a yellow piece of paper. And he says in that sermon, then when these women help elect the wrong person, then I see a great woman rise up in the United States, well dressed and beautiful, but cruel in heart. She will either guide or lead this nation to ruination. I got in parentheses, perhaps the Catholic Church. And that is the full extent of what William Brandham had wrote on the yellow piece of paper that he supposedly wrote them on in 1933. And so with that, John, I'll turn it

back over to you. Yeah, Charles, this is so significant for people who were raised in William Brandham's message, called the personality. But to be honest, because there were so many people connected to the Laterane. And this was a Laterane prophecy in its inception. That grew into the charismatic movement and many other splenching groups. This was a significant prophecy for a majority of the Pensacostal people in the nation who had aligned with Laterane. They all believe William Brandham was an end of day's prophet. And as we mentioned in, I can't remember what episode, but T.L. Osborne,

who was significant in helping to start the shepherding movement, the word of faith movement, many other charismatic, you know, the name and claim at prosperity gospel kind of thing. He was significant in that. And he was part of William Brandham's deity cult. So he believed that this was a end of day's prophecy tied to the rest of the seven. And everybody who was connected to the people who believed this would have accepted this just like the article that I mentioned from Charisma magazine. All of these men are accepting it and women. But there's some huge significant

problems with it. And this was significant for me and my journey out. I briefly mentioned this. I think I can't remember what episode, but we were talking about the 1933 prophecies. But in 1955, William Brandham introduced this claim that he had prophesied way back in 1933 that a female would become president. And this prophecy began as a female. And what happened over time?

He started introducing little elements over time into this, trying to belittle the women and insult the women. And you know how it developed, but he added things like, and the women were allowed, were going to be allowed to vote. And they would ruin the nation, which is so awful, man. Can you imagine being a husband and sitting there and listening to this man on the platform insult your wife? And the irony is women were already allowed to vote. But he would tie all of these little pieces.

Together, the problem was, as I discovered while I was in the message, the climax of this, and remember, this began as a female president prophecy. But the climax of this, he started claiming in 1960 that five of his alleged prophecies that he invented in 1955 had been fulfilled.

This is 1960. The exact quote, he said, how many remembers that vision here in the church said that even how Kennedy would be elected in this last election and how that women would be permitted to vote.

You can't get any planer than that. He's saying that Kennedy was the guy, right? Because this was a critical flaw with his female prophecy, you know, Kennedy being a male and the prophecy being a female, he said, and I got in parentheses on the vision, even in yellow paper, perhaps the Catholic church.

So he twisted it from female to Catholic church instead and said, Kennedy is the guy. In 1962, he reaffirmed this. He said in the sermon, a super sign, he said, several years ago, it predicted exactly how the maginoline, what would take place, exactly Kennedy would take place.

And this would be the Catholic president ruling here. So multiple times, not just one, I think not just two, I think there were several times. Up until Kennedy's death, Kennedy was the guy. This was the end of the world.

The end of the world is coming. I, your prophet William Brannum, declare to you that my female president prophecy is fulfilled with this man, which is absurd, man. And so this was one of my tipping points.

I mentioned, whenever I was discussing me leaving the message, there were several critical flaws that caused me to wake up. But this was the tipping point because it does not get any planer than this, that this is a failed prophecy.

So I went to my grandfather via phone and I'm talking to him. And I just simply asked the question, I said, grandpa, how is a man being elected to fulfilment of a female president prophecy?

And worse, why are all the message pastors claiming that in the future, a female will be elected president when he said it's already fulfilled? And grandpa's response, as I've mentioned several times, he said, people have known this for years, John, what does it hurt you to believe it anyway?

And I'm like, what do I believe, man? How can I believe this anyway? It doesn't even make sense. And then I started going back in my mind and I'm sure you've done this too with all of the thoughts of the female president.

Only four years, we had... to sit and listen how it was fixing to happen and the world was fixing to end. There was no excitement, no joy, happy we're going to go see Jesus. Doom and gloom, the world is going to end because either it's going to be a female or it's going to be a male or it's going to be the Catholic church or maybe she's going to be a vice president. When you add all of these uptiles, every single election without fail, every single election can fulfill William Brown's alleged prophecy. So every four years from now until all of this message called dies out,

we're going to listen to how this prophecy has just been fulfilled with the last election.

What you're describing, it happens across all of the sex of the message. My pastor, probably 15 or so years ago was saying that Hillary Clinton was the woman, you know, the woman president prophecy. And I remember approaching him, you know, as another minister, I remember approaching him and saying, didn't William Branham say it was Kennedy? And he's, and he's like, oh, I don't, I don't remember. I don't remember. You dirty liar. They were, John, my pastor in your grandpa. We're sitting in that church saying, hey, man, hey, man. When William Branham said it was Kennedy, then dirty dogs, like, what, what in the world? Like, it's on tape. Right? Like, what,

what do you do with that? You know, and yeah, you know, you want us to play along with you. Now, you mean you guys are just a bunch of fools. I mean, it's just craziness. You know, and I don't have a whole lot of patience for, for some of that stuff anymore. But you're, you're right, John, William Branham, when he told this prophecy, it changed every time he told it, every time he told it, it's, there's, he's, he's, there's new details coming out. But I read to you that quote off of the yellow piece of paper, he supposedly wrote it down on in 1933, right? And so if that is

what he wrote down in 1933, everything he monkeyed with it after, right? Probably an even real, right? But after he, after over the years, he added down that it's going to be a woman in purple, right? A woman in purple was not even in the original version of this thing, right? That was something he made up later. And over time, he said, well, maybe it's a woman vice president, or maybe it's the vice president, or maybe it's the president, or maybe it's a first lady, or maybe it's just some woman in government, right? Like, it gets all of these different

permutations where it can be all kinds of different possible things, right? As he tells these things over the years. And by the time, you know, Kennedy gets elected, you are absolutely right, John. William Brownham said, I think close to a dozen times, emphatically, directly, plainly, incontrovertibly, that John F. Kennedy was the fulfillment of the woman president prophecy because he was a Catholic.

He was the first Catholic president and he was pinning it on that. And no matter what you do with this prophecy, okay, I mean, just let's just think about it. Okay. A woman or a Catholic who is either the president, the vice president, the first lady or somewhere in government is going to get in power.

What happens every single election no matter what it's describing simply it's describing and election. Okay. You take this last election, okay, well, we had Kamala, right, as the Democrat candidate. Well, JD Vance is a Catholic John.

Oh, no, we're looking for the woman. Oh, no, we've we elected the wrong person, John. Oh, whoa, is us, right? You know, it doesn't matter what happens. This prophecy always gets fulfilled, right? And here's the thing, when a man gets elected and it's not the, and it's not, and there's no woman or Catholic, you know, indication, I guess what, well, then it's the first lady, right?

Oh, it was Michelle. Remember when it was Michelle Obama? I remember when it was Michelle Obama. Remember when it was Hillary is the first lady to Bill Clinton. It don't even matter, you know, it doesn't matter what happens.

This prophecy is always getting going to be fulfilled by whatever woman is married to the president, is running for president, is the vice president, ends up in the cabinet. John, it doesn't matter. They just recycle it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over our entire lives, John.

And you know, if you're a younger person in the message, you may not have recognized this pattern yet, right? I have lived long enough. You have lived long enough, John. We have recognized this thing, repeat and cycle over and over and over and over and over and over again.

It's unbelievable, man. It, in my head, I've got, you know, I, I can't stop the humor, it just constantly comes. But in my head, when I think about this story, this, this is a fictional tale of a prophecy.

When I think of this fictional tale, honestly, I envision like Stephen King, if he were to have written Groundhog Day instead of whoever wrote the script for that, if Stephen King wrote it as the most absurd horror mess that he could.

And then all of the NAR took Stephen King's book and said, this is our Bible. That is exactly what it's like. It is a recurring over and over and over every four years. William Branham's prophecy has to be fulfilled because somebody is going to be elected.

And nine times out of ten, they're going to be connected to either a female or the Catholic church. And think about what you just said. I heard the same exact thing growing up. When Bill Clinton got elected, that was the end of the world.

I actually made... reparations for leaving this earth Charles. I was right there with you. I was in high school I made preparations for leaving the earth because my pastor and not just my pastor every traveling pastor That was in the message came to my church and said this is it Like San Francisco. This is the big one. This is the big one I mean it is it is so crazy. I made preparations mentally I started disconnecting from all of my friends on the earth because they were going to be destroyed And I didn't you know it's hard to make that mental separation

It's like mourning the loss of a loved one. I mourn the loss of every one of my friends in high school Because of this ridiculous thing because Bill Clinton was married to a woman How absurd can that be no matter I mean if the president I'll say it like this if the president is married William Brannum's twisted versions of the prophecy one version will be fulfilled

You know, John When I hear someone in the message and especially a message preacher Say that this prophecy is about to be fulfilled in Kamala Harris or hey I suspect it will not be very long some people will figure out JD Vance as a Catholic and it'll be him. Okay, that's this is how this works, right?

Every time I hear them say it's some recent figure My mind even when I was in the message would go to this you don't believe the message you fool

You don't do you think William Brannum was a liar was William Brannum lying when he said it was Kennedy You know, and I could call names, you know it donny pagan Do you think that William Brannum was lying when he said it was John F. Kennedy right does donny pagan believe

That it was Kennedy or not was William Brannum telling the truth or not right? So why did these people recycle the prophecy obviously? They believe William Brannum was a liar right if you're telling me that it wasn't Kennedy You're telling me you believe William Brannum was a liar and he was wrong or you are such an ignorant person You haven't even listened to the message and know what it is right and that is what I hear when people say this stuff And look at the comment feeds John look at the people in the comment feeds how many comments came well

It's getting ready to be Kamala. This is the end of the world, right? All through the comment fees. We've even got some John It's getting ready to be Kamala John and Charles you guys are just about to burn up in the tribulation praise the Lord

The it's a crazy stuff John it really is It is and you know I want to focus in on that just a bit because I don't think people who were never in the message cult of William Brannum Really fathom the difference between what we were in and a normal church We have all kinds of people who are either affiliated with Charismatic churches or Pentecostal churches watching the show they want to know the history. I don't think fully grasp how different it is, the contrast between what William Brannum, the one who literally founded many of these pseudo religions that exist today, and is a father to the charismatic

movement. And in effect, he's also a father to the NAR. I don't think they grasp how different it is. Whenever you're in a Christian church, even in one of the ones that I just mentioned, if you're in charismatic churches or NAR churches, you feel sorry for the people who aren't going to make it to heaven. You want them to go to heaven. You're praying daily that they go to heaven.

The Bible says to pray daily for the sins of the world, they do that. You know, I'm not going to say that they have Christianity be down perfect, but at least they do have that part perfect, because that's one of the fundamental core elements of Christianity is to love your neighbor as yourself.

In the message, they do not want that. They want you to burn in hell. If you did not believe the prophet William Brannum, they want you to burn in hell, and they are very open about telling you this. So they come on the comment feeds, and I'll be sharing a few of them on the video feed if you're watching the video. But the comments are ridiculous, Charles. It's not a plead come back to Jesus. It is more like, I'm right, you're wrong. You're going to hell. And praise the Lord, you're about to burn up because Kamala is elected. And I've reached the point. I don't even respond

to it, because like I said, all it takes is for one of the presidents on either side to be to be married. And if they're married, they're going to fulfill one version of this. They don't have to be Catholic, like we mentioned with Bill Clinton. They don't even have to be Catholic.

As long as they're married and one or the other is a female, praise God, William Brannum was right. There was an election, and the president was married and one of them, either the president or his wife, what a female. It's crazy, isn't it John? It really is crazy. And so at the end of the day, all of these prophecies that William Brannum had in 1933 are all terribly, terribly flawed prophecies.

You know, I think when we did the 1933 episode, the first five, the first four are absolutely false prophecies, right? I mean, he talked about there's going to be a big battle where the Americans are going to take a beating at the Maginot line. That ever happened. The Americans never had a battle at the Maginot line. He would just make this stuff up. And then he gets to this one, right?

A woman, powerful woman, Catholic is going to come in. And it's already in a pattern of junk prophecies leading up to it. So why should we believe this one? It's just been a pattern of junk up to this one. Well, this one is obviously junk too.

And it's one of those things, it's impossible to not be fulfilled. So that also makes it an invalid prophecy, John. This is no different than William Brown, I'm just prophesying the sun is going to come up tomorrow.

Oh wow, sure it will, right? Yes, a woman is going to be elected president or Catholic is going to be elected president or there's going to be a powerful first law. I mean, it's going to happen.

It's going to happen. And through my life, John, I mean, we could just go back through the string of stuff, like right now it was supposed to be Kamala. Obviously it was the most recent iteration.

Well, before Kamala was running, well, they say it was hers vice president or guess what, president Biden was a Catholic, right? I heard it, you know, use that way too. Before him, well, it was Michelle, John.

They were saying Michelle Obama was it? I heard that one quite a number of times. Before that, it was Hillary, because Hillary ran for president against Trump the first time, right? It was Hillary, it was supposed to be Hillary.

Before the Obama's, you go back a little bit, it was supposed to be Hillary as first lady then, right? Back in the 90s. And you can follow this pattern with them all the way back to William Brown in the beginning saying it was John Kennedy.

And this has been so many people over and over and over and over again. And you know, people like us on the outside, when we look at what they're saying, I mean, and we just, we apply simple logic.

Okay, you told us Kamala is a fulfillment of the seventh vision, you know, and the fifth, sixth vision, whichever one it is in there. And the world is all about to end. Hmm, but then she didn't win the election.

And we're still here, John. Well, guess what? You guys have a false religion. You know, that is the natural implication. You have a false religion where you are telling people lies. You told people, Kamala was it.

The end of the world was gonna happen. You are a bunch of wicked liars. There's just no way around that, right? And you have done that sort of stuff. They have done that sort of stuff over and over and over.

This is why we call the message of doomsday called. The message is a doomsday call. It predicts doomsday over and over and over and over again by all different kinds of means. And it never happens.

And the people live constantly in this doomsday mode. And it's shameful, John. It really is shameful. And it's absolutely wicked lies, you know, that these people do. It just, it gets under my skin to an extent, the way that they do it.

And the only thing, the one thing we can say, there is something good about all this, John. It proves to us that the message leaders, especially are consistent. There is a consistently to them.

They are consistently wrong. They are consistently wrong, John. And one thing we can say, whatever this female prophecy may or may not be, you guys don't have a clue of anything about it. You have proven a long track record of having not a clue.

So therefore we are safe in a- ignoring everything you say, because you prove to us repeatedly, you do not have a clue. Yeah. One of the things that's so ironic about the message is that a large majority of the following is in Africa.

There are some in the United States, but the majority of the people who believe William Brannum to be a true prophet of God come from Africa. And most of the hate mail obviously comes from Africa because that's where the majority of the following is.

I find it interesting that as of the moment that we left, which was January 1, 2012, voice of God recordings and spoken word, their primary mission was to translate the sermons of William Brannum into foreign languages so that the quote unquote gospel could go around the world and that the gospel would be spread, the gospel of William Brannum, the gospel would be spread and the end of world would come.

But everybody who didn't believe the prophet would burn in hell, that was the mission. As of the time that we left in 2012, a majority of the sermons were not translated to the languages in Africa.

The most of the sermons that were translated were translated to Spanish. And in the 50 years after William Brannum's death, for a organization that received all of their funding to translate the sermons, that's why you paid them.

They did not even have all of the sermons translated into Spanish. They omitted key sermons from the translations. They omitted even more to the African nations. And I began to wonder in 2012, why is that Charles?

Why am I, I sent them large sums of money. I could have bought houses, not just one, but houses with the money that I donated. I lost all of that money, I'll never get it back, but I gave so much money so that they could transfer, translate this quote unquote gospel to the other nations and they didn't even do it.

So I started digging and it took me years to find it, but whenever I found out that this was a white supremacy called, not just a doomsday called. Once I discovered this, I understood why they do not translate all of the sermons to the people with black skin in Africa.

The interesting part about this prophecy, Charles, when I started digging into this prophecy, before I even knew that William Brannum was mentored by one of the most significant key figures in white supremacy, the imperial wizard of the clan, which is a domestic terrorist organization to anybody in Africa who doesn't know what that is.

The sermon that you mentioned, condemnation by representation, was William Brannum's battle cry against the African Americans. In that sermon, where... he is saying that he had been claiming that the female vote would cause the destruction of the United States because by permitting females to vote, they would elect the wrong president and the wrong president would lead the world into destruction. That was the summary of what he said. He changed it from obviously a female to a male, but he also changed another thing Charles. I don't know if you've caught this. He said for years that

in 1933, he had a prophecy that the females voting would cause it. But that changed too in that sermon, condemnation by representation. I'll read you the quote. He said in the same sermon where he says that Kennedy is the male prophecy that fulfills the female president prophecy. He said one of the greatest mistakes that the colored race ever made was down here in Louisiana, over there when they voted Kennedy the other night and put him in. So not only did he change the female prophecy to a male prophecy, he changed the female vote to an African American vote. And that is one of the most racist statements

in all of his 1200 transcribed sermons. That is one of the most racist statements. And ask yourself, why does, why does voice of God not publish the translations of the racist statements? I don't know which sermons were selected and which weren't and how and why, but I have been told by people and other languages that they cut out the, they changed the words so that the racist statements that he makes do not sound as racist. So in this 50 years or now at 60 years that they've had to translate these, they've also had time to think through how bad what he said actually was and try to clean it up. Have you ever

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past year, John. The past year, I have been working on volume two of message history. That is what I have been working on. I have been working on 1966 plus the year 1966 much closer to the present day. I'm pretty close to being done with it, John. And when I do, I promise I'm going to come. I'll record episodes with you and I'll tell, we'll tell everything.

Obviously, you and I live through it all. You and I live through it all. We know, we know what happened, right? Like, it's not like a problem that we can just get on here and talk about it. But I, what really has taken me time is I wanted to get footnotes. I wanted to get quotes. I wanted to get primary sources, you know, to back a lot of it up. And so that's what has taken me probably the most time and a lot of it. And also, you know, to, to to top this in people to get finer details in the areas I was less familiar with. But, John,

you are right. They have not translated all of the sermons to the foreign languages. People wonder why is it that the message is so popular in foreign countries? Well, it's because they only have a certain percentage of the message. They don't translate all the controversial stuff. They don't translate all the contradiction. They don't translate the racism. They don't translate all kinds of fall-failed prophecies. The people in Africa never heard about the failed India vision. You know, why? Because they didn't translate it. All of the stuff. So, you know, their ear is, it's true. You know, the people in the

foreign countries have an unawareness of the reality of what actually happened. And part of it is the power of controlling the translation and the transcripts. One of the reasons. And I'm going to go out on a limb here. Why do you think voice of God is so interested in copywriting and fighting off anybody else from translating the sermons? Absolutely.

I wonder, you know, why do you think? Why do you think there was the hostile takeover of Tucson Tabernacle after Perry Green died? Could it have been to get control of the foreign language translations that they created? I wonder. These things are an open secret on the inside, you know? And so, John, we'll do some episodes on all of this stuff. I think down the road if you're up to it. This is all a absolute conspiracy. 100% conspiracy, you know, orchestrated by message leaders to hide aspects of the message from people, especially in Africa, John, especially in Africa. Do you think the people in Africa know that William

Brannum was ordained by the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and priest Christian identity? Do you think the average person over there knows that? And do you think they would remain in the message, John, if they knew that? They have no idea. They have no idea.

They have no idea. So I want to take a moment and I want to talk about the hill. hypocrisy that's in the message, Charles. So I grew up in many different message churches. I went from churches from South Carolina to Arizona everywhere in between and I heard a whole wide variety of different flavors of the message. One of the flavors was the tape-only people. You had to listen to the tapes and you had to listen to them all. The tape-only people started in 1947 because that's when they falsely believed he started his ministry all the way to 1965 and we listened to them all

in the tape-sets. But that wasn't the only ones. There are also in the United States a large number of cult ministers who believe that you don't listen to the ones before 1963, which is absurd man.

This is a prophet of God. Let's ignore a majority of the prophets' sermons. But that's what they believe because they know just how bad it is in those years prior. And the irony in that is 1963 forward is where he kind of goes off the rails with his mental health. But anyway, these ministers who believe the 1933 or 1963 forward, they are largely responsible for the spreading of the message which you'll cover I think in your next book. These men have carried it far and wide. And they're all proclaiming that a female will be president and the world will

end because he said so. These ministers have one job, Charles, and that's to study the word of God which to them isn't the Bible. It's the words of William Branham, the quote unquote spoken word.

So they study from 1963 to 1965 which significantly cuts out the number of sermons. So they it's easier for them to study. William Branham did not stop claiming that president Kennedy was the fulfillment of the quote unquote female prophet prophecy. He said in 1964, for example, in the sermon Jehovah Jairah, he said he gave seven things in 1933 would happen.

And now every one of them has come to pass except for two things which is exactly perfect, he said. So out of the seven only two remain and remember one of them was the complete destruction of the United States. So he's talking about things that are apocalyptic as well. But he goes on to say how that even president Kennedy would be taken in. It's right there in my books right now. So he is saying after the death of president Kennedy, after he died that president Kennedy was still the fulfillment of the female president prophecy. You are spot on. I mean, William Branham explosively,

emphatically, repeatedly, unambiguously, said over and over. John F. Hannity was the fulfillment of the woman prophecy, right, and people who don't believe that don't believe the message People who say it's Kamala don't believe the message people who said it was Hillary don't believe the message All those people when they say that are telling us they believe William Brandon was a liar and hey, you know what you guys were right

You're right like you they were right John William Brandon really was making all of this stuff up right And we can't trust him when he said it was Kennedy Yeah, he was probably making that up and if he was making that up who knows what belt he was making up right we should just throw the whole thing away Obviously, right that is the implications of of refusing to admit that William Brandon said it was Kennedy It it is so pathetic and you know and when I think about the charisma magazine article that you talked about John

You know and you see the broader charismatic movement Oh the NAR type folks Recycling these prophecies all of these years later themselves even outside of the message. I mean it's it's bad enough the message uses it but to see Notable people out in the charismatic world, you know descended from the influence of Paul Cain descended from the influence of Kenneth Hagan descended from the end of Fluence of Derek Prince all of whom by the way stood on the platform and worked closely with William Brandon while he was alive See them repeat the same prophecies over and over and over again

Without even doing their own homework Obviously, they never went back to the sermons and read and solve this stuff You know, they didn't put anything into it and then they just repeat it And you think about that why why did charisma magazine Republished William Branham's prophecy and why did they lie to the readers and say it was an 81 year old prophecy Right, so you know, I hope charisma magazine has some you know journalistic standards and maybe they'll go back and correct themselves It's not an 81 year old prophecy. It's a prophecy from the 50 so what is it? It's like a it's like a 60 year old prophecy not an 81 year old prophecy right

It would really be a good idea if these people put some investigation into things before they publish it But that's kind of a hard thing to do when you have a religion that's built on a foundation of myths and legends You know, I saw many different articles about William Branham in charisma magazine Not just the most recent one and there's actually a few different ones. I pulled up the website But they also talk very frequently about William Branham's 1933 prophecies Before there's even you know, Kamala Harris running. They're still promoting this as though this is true

And they have to know. I mean anybody who studies even just a little bit Anybody who goes to the it's called table.branham.org is the URL. It's called the table, which is his sermons Anybody who has a researcher or a journalist who's writing an article about William Branham the first place you're going to is directly to the source. You're going to go study the transcripts. And the moment you go to that website and you type in 1933, you're going to suddenly see, wait a minute, this list of 1933 prophecies doesn't match. When I type in 1933 and I go down through the list, there's some, I think

I've got up to 24 variants, 24 different alleged prophecies of 1933, but each time he says it, he says there are seven. So it keeps changing over and over. We talked about that in our in our 33 episode, but picture charisma magazine and picture all of the ministers who are using William Brannem as their stepping stone for their own spiritual glorification. Every one of them that has looked at this has seen what we have seen. All you do is type in 1933 and you see it.

Yet, like charisma magazine, they all say there are seven prophecies. Tell me how Charles, do you see this variation of 24 different prophecies? And say that there are seven. How do you choose which seven to publish? How do they, what have they done that when they're writing the articles for charisma magazine? How did they come to choose the seven that they chose? Why didn't they choose like eating eggs? Why didn't they choose that in the last days, Charles, you should not eat eggs.

Why is that not in the list? Oh, I know what you mean. Probably about eight, nine, 10 years ago, something like that. Jim Baker, the thief and convicted felon, on his radio, on his television program on TBN. Hey, they got convicted felons brought in TBN programs. I mean, who knew, right?

So Jim Baker, the convicted felon who runs the TBN program for stealing people's money and also still collect donations. You know, if you want to buy a tree, this is okay. This just comes, I got to say this before I answer this question, say this part. Okay. So Jim Baker on his program is feeding Doomsday Madness to people, right? And one of the main fundraisers on his program, things you can buy is he sells tribulation readiness kits. Seven-year supplies of food, right?

You can call into his program. You can order your very own tribulation survival kit, right? On his program. So that's how he makes a bunch of his money, John. Okay. And I suppose that's more legit, I mean, this is one step short of the felony thievery that put him in jail to begin with, but this is what he's still just, John. He sells Doomsday Preparation kits. And so obviously, he's going to be telling his people stuff to scare them into Doomsday to drive up sales. Well, anyway, eight-ten years ago, John, he did a whole episode on William Brandt of his 1933 prophecies.

I don't know if you saw that. I was still in the message. We've like, hey, look, look how famous William Brown, Jim Baker, the convicted felons even doing programs on it. But anyway, he did a whole episode on these 1933 prophecies.

And it's the same thing. How did he decide which ones to use? Well, I'll tell you which ones he used, he went to the ones in the church age book, right? The one that Lee Vale edited, right?

Oh yeah. But there's a problem, John. The ones in the church age book does not match a single place William Greenham ever sped it on tape. No, or does it match the yellow piece of paper he read it off of when he wrote it down in 1933?

It is very different, very different, right? Because even the yellow piece of paper he wrote it down on in 1933 said, imagine a line, but the one in the church age books, they changed it to the Siegfried line, right?

Because they realized somewhere, oh, America never actually had a battle at the Imagine a Line. Oh, we better fix that.

They obviously do absolutely no homework, right? No homework. You guys want to look into this? Go find the yellow piece of paper. William Brownham said he wrote it on in 1933 that he read on tape and read that version and test that version and discover, as we already well know, the entire thing was junk.

It was absolute junk beginning to end. Well, and you bring up an interesting point. So charisma magazine and all of these people that you're mentioning who are using William Brownham as their stepping stone.

Like I said, they have the same access to the tools they can search. You can type in 1933 and you can search or you can type in seven prophecies. There's different keywords you can use.

The one that you're referring to that you keep using 1933, that's because of our programming. We were programmed to believe it was 1933, but on that piece of paper when he held up and read it, he said, let me read you this paper.

I'm gonna read and it says 1932. It doesn't say 1933. So when charisma magazine published this or the minister, the NAR guy who's saying William Brownham had these prophecies, why did they choose the 1933 date when his original paper said 1933 or 32, but more than that Charles.

So this is a cult that largely developed into believing William Brownham was the prophet for the age, the last church age because of these exact prophecies, the seven or 24 or however many they are.

Why is that piece of paper that he read from, not on display at Voice of God recordings? And why is it that when you call and you ask them, they say, well, he lost it and it was buried and they will either say he lost it or he says on recording it was buried in the cornerstone of the church and we're not gonna dig up the cornerstone, I'll say.

They never mentioned that the cornerstone, was dug up, which you and I talked about, but they also don't mention the fact that he read from the piece of paper. So if this piece of paper actually existed, which I sincerely doubt it does, why is it not framed, why is it not like, like this is the most prized possession of this cult, it doesn't exist.

And yet all of these NAR guys, carcairs, mad at guys, Pentecostal guys, I've had people who were not even connected to the brand of movement or NAR or even Charismania, who still believe this.

And they'll call me and they say, yeah, he was off the rails. He was wrong in so much doctrine, but those seven, those prophecies of 1933, John, they're real. That happened. You can see it exactly.

Well, no, man, hey, maybe the next time, you know, Todd Bentley or Chris Reed or any of you guys come to Jeffersonville, the Graves soak, why don't you go over and ask Joseph to see a copy of that yellow piece of paper and see what I'm going to show to you?

Why don't you just go see, right? I mean, right. I mean, Mike Bickle, next time you're in town to go Graves soak, why don't you go ask Joseph if you can see, you know, that piece of paper, right?

Chris Valatin, next time you come Graves soak here at Jeffersonville, why don't you, you know, call up Joseph, see if he'll show you the yellow piece of paper. And if you do, hey guys, will you take a picture of it for us?

We'd love to see it. We really would. You know, recently, this has made news all throughout the United States, Charles. I'm certain that in the other countries, they're probably not aware how significant this is, but news media recently exposed the message cult is very, very destructive.

And they start, they interviewed something like 50 people, both people who are in the message and people who have escaped. And if you read their articles, they're exposing not just the problems with the splinter groups from the main sect.

They're saying this starts, this problem starts with William Brannum and they're showing exact quotes that William Brannum said that turned it into a destructive cult. If you read all of those articles and I've read, there's, I don't know how many at this point, there's something like 18, 20 articles and they're spreading all throughout the country.

They're describing having gone into voice of God recordings and they're actually talking with the PR people and in voice of God and they're taking pictures and video of it. You know what's missing from all of their journalistic investigation, Charles?

There is not a single photograph, video, or even statement about those 1933 prophecies and they mentioned that William Brannum had the 1933 prophecies. So you know that they asked them. And apparently according to what I'm seeing in the newspaper, there must have been no response because it is significantly missing from their articles.

Boy, those articles are something else coming out lately too, aren't they? I'm really excited reading those, you know, to see... truth finally coming to light out there, you know, it's something else. So very interesting stuff. They just keep come a job. I mean, how many more? I mean, goodness, they must have they really investigated this thing. I'm impressed. I don't know, you know, John, you know, at the end of the day, I don't know if we're going to, so it's November, right? I don't know if we're necessarily going to release this episode till inauguration day. Hey, that

might be a great day to do this. I don't know. But do you think the world is going to end between now and inauguration day, John? I just want to get you on the record before Kamala gets out of office. Do you think America is going to, you know, spontaneously combust into a whatever and be ashes and burn up? Do you think that's going to happen? Or do you think we're still going to be here? Come January 26. I'll say it like this. The world is in conflict as it has been all of the history of my life and all the way dating back to William Brannum

long before he even made these prophecies. They were world conflicts. It could end. I'm not going to say that it's not because who am I to say? But what I can tell you is that it won't be in any way connected to this alleged 1933 prophecy of a woman or a man or a woman's vote causing it or the African Americans causing it or maybe it's the Catholic church. It won't be a result of that because how do you even define that? You can't put that into a definition. When we finish recording this, John, I am going to write up a desperate

letter to mail to President Trump and JD Vance begging them and their wives to not wear purple on inauguration day. I don't want to hear about this for another four years. I have a feeling, John. I mean, I have a feeling that we're going to hear some message nuts telling us that JD Vance is the woman in purple because he's a cat. Don't be surprised or Melania.

God have mercy. Melania is probably going to wear purple at some point in the next four years and we're going to have to hear that it's Melania. Oh, goodness. Melania, please don't wear purple. God have purple color Melania. You know, stick with, stick with why, you know, stick with gray, black, I mean, purple's not your color Melania. So don't wear purple.

To be honest, Charles, William Brandham's prophecy would have been more surprising if he had have said there's going to be a person who's president who may be male, who may be female, who will not ever wear purple. That would be surprising to me. Purple is such a common color, man. And if you're going to be that vague about it, choose something that's not vague and say, well, they're not going to wear purple. So I don't know. Anyway, this has been incredibly fun. I wanted to talk about this for a while, but the, you know, every four years, what do

you talk about? Every four years, we're going to have the same exact opportunity. to talk about how William Brannum's prophecy is believed to have happened with this election and it didn't. And we could have the same story next year or next election in four years.

We have the same exact podcast, Charles. But thank you for doing this. I've enjoyed it, John. And I'm looking forward to getting into recording some message history after William Brannum died with you. So stay tuned, ladies and gentlemen. It's soon to come.

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