Adoption Doctrine And Dominion Theology: Branham’s False Gospel And the Rise of the NAR

Music Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Brandham Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Brandham Historical Research at William-brandham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, and friend, John McKennan, author of the persuasive preacher, the gifted prophet, and the noble politician.

John, it's good to be back and to dive deeply into theology. It's everybody who has listened to my podcast as aware. I kind of avoid theology as much as possible. I want to stick with the history and let the facts of history speak for themselves.

However, there are certain cases, as we'll be getting into today, where the theology is so closely tied to the history that you can't avoid not talking about it. And the theology that we're talking about today is William Brandham's adoption doctrine.

He was by no means unique in parts key elements of this doctrine. I know that some people might even say that it was a Christian doctrine he was bringing, and he just was off on a few points.

However, if you understand the reasons behind why he's bringing these doctrines up, and you understand all of the elements that it is closely associated with. For example, we, you and I, through our weaponized religion series that we have done together, we've talked about all of the elements of theology that came from the Ku Klux Klan and the Christian identity doctrines.

William Brandham's serpent seed, for example, it was no divine revelation. This was very common among the racist groups, and things like this, things like we talked about some of the roots, root elements of the dominionism doctrine, and the Seven Mountains' mandate, although he didn't teach Seven Mountains, he taught the foundation that it developed from.

So if you understand how all these pieces interconnect, you get the bigger picture of why it turned into the mess that it did today. And one of the ways in which you can examine the intersection of all of these doctrines is through William Brandham's adoption doctrine.

I grew up, you know, hearing this adoption theme, not just from Brandham, but from many cult pastors. And as I began to understand what it meant as an adult, it started to take a form that just really didn't sit right with me.

We were supposed to be the super... this elite group of people, and the problem that I had with it is it totally stood out against the passages of Scripture like, for God so loved the world. If you're putting yourself into this elitist mindset, it's very difficult to love those who are of the world. And so I began to not question it, but just I felt uncomfortable. And then once I began to research and understood that it wasn't just random that did this. There were many others. And this was a strategic doctrine.

This was something that he purposefully put together to bind it all together and to push the church into a direction that wasn't really a movement from God. This was a movement of something else, which we may get into that too. But anyway, I'm glad to have you back and to talk through it. So let's let's talk about adoption. Hi, John. Yes, great to be back recording again with you and good to start this new topic that we're on. We're going to begin another episode about these doctrines that we've heard about all these years with William Brown's ministry and how they grew

and morphed into the doctrines we see today, even in the NAR. And so today's topic is one of those controversial topics I would say that we're going to deal with. And it's going to take multiple episodes. I feel like to flesh all of it out. And then we're only scratching the very surface of it.

And these topics will tie a lot of things together. And I'll tell you what they'll tie together is the serpent seed doctrine that we've covered very thoroughly in the past, manifest sons of God, which is spoken about often, spoken word of God, even the Godhead. And how all these things relate to Christians of today and Christians in the message and even Christians within the NAR movement.

And we're going to dive deep into this fascinating and sometimes very controversial corners of religious history theology here that make up the message of William Brown and the NAR as well. There's just a web of doctrines here that span even from the ancient times and even to the modern interpretations of those old doctrines. And some of these unorthodox teachings have found their way into the message of William Brown and eventually into modern charismatic movements and also winding up in the NAR. The underlying theme of this does relate to the sons of God.

You know, who are they? And how do they come to be? And I equate sons of God as Christians, of course, but the message of the hour and, of course, the NAR has a very different take on that.

So even though the NAR doesn't accept all these teachings of William Brown among subjects like the serpent seed or Godhead, you know, they tend to use some of these concepts for their own ends just like they declare, you know, a random to be a prophet, a great prophet of this day, but then they don't follow his message. So we're going to do our best to unpack, you know, How the Serpent Seed doctrine, along with the concepts of the seed of God, sons of God, manifest sons, spoken word, which comes from this theology of William Brannum, and then

how it intertwines with the new app stock reformation and surprising ways here. I would say from the outset, it was Brannum's concept of the Godhead and what he developed with his beliefs on God over time is what evolved into this manifest sons of God doctrine.

William Brannum picked up the Serpent Seed doctrine and, of course, early on, and wove that into the story, which allowed him to weave this story about the two seed lines and the human beings being born on this earth.

He started at the beginning with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The Serpent Seed doctrine is one of these key doctrines we'll talk about. This teaching does state that Eve's original sin wasn't just eating of actual forbidden fruit, but engaging in sexual relations with the serpent.

He's often identified as Satan in the skies and in the form of a human light creature at the time before he was changed into a snake. So the result of that union was Cain, and he was the first born son of Adam and Eve, and has seen as him being the literal offspring of this union called the Serpent Seed, while Abel represents being born from the pure line seed line of Adam.

So the seed of God in William Brannum's ministry is contrasted with the Serpent's lineage and the seed of God being God's chosen people. So in this view, the seed of God refers to those predestinated for salvation and spiritual descendants of Seth, or the faithful line from Adam, they embody that divine election and purity.

It's essentially a dual seed line theology, one side's corrupted by satanic influence, the other side's divinely ordained, highlighting these themes of predestination and election, and the way they interpret it. There are a lot of issues with the Serpent Seed doctrine, and the Bible doesn't support it.

If you follow Genesis 3 and 4 line by line in a timeline, but we don't have time to go through it today, so we won't dive into that, we're just briefly mentioning it for the purposes of understanding how it relates to these other doctrines we talk about.

But the Serpent Seed teachings is embedded in the message, it explains for the followers how they are the chosen race to follow the message of William Brannum while others are from the Serpent's race, or somehow in between the two, I guess you would say, which you might call the foolish version, and those who just cannot see the message of William Brannum, but they're somehow saved in the end, even though they're not broad material.

And that's kind of a strange doctrine as well. You've got some people that are saved people, but they're somehow not Christians, otherwise they'd be the bride, and then they're also not Serpent Seed, or they'd be totally lost.

And it's only William Brannum that can create such a doctrine, I would think. It's only the bride material, of course, in William Brannum's theology that of the seed of God. according to this teaching, but to make a leap to that, you just have to ignore scripture and make tremendous leaps into the unknown to get where they're going with this.

But that is exactly what they're doing here, John. They put themselves into the elite super race status while ignoring the rest of the Christian church world. And then they have to make up these unbiblical doctrines about how non-bride or non-believers will all wind up in the end.

So if we ever get a chance to take time to do it, you know, we might show how unbiblical all this is. And I think you'll see it as we go along. And it gets to be a massive task to take on here because what we're going to dive into is multiple subjects at one time, trying to take piece by piece just to help people understand.

And so we're just going to try to zero in on a few things here just to get this started. And a bit of a background for those who haven't followed us on the weaponized religion series, William Brannum, who we're talking about, was mentored by the second in command of the 1915 Ku Klux Klan, a man by the name of Roy Davis.

And if you want to see just how evil a person can be, go just go type in Roy Davis. You can find it in Wikipedia, other places. This was not a good person, not bringing forth a doctrine of God.

Mentoring the person who would become the foremost leader of the post-World War II healing revival, William Brannum. And Brannum stayed connected with him all the way through the end of his life. You can do sermon, you can search through the sermons and you can see where he's even, he even knows Roy Davis's travel itinerary.

So this is a person who's working very closely with white supremacist leaders. And when you think of the notion of a super race and you're thinking of a person who's working with white supremacy, that theme takes a different direction altogether.

It's bad enough to hear the word super race. Whenever you hear this, you're literally, your mind is thinking occult if you're not mixed into this brand of theology. But what he is essentially doing is he's trying to say that there is a bloodline.

And he is talking a physical bloodline because of his serpency doctrine. He claimed that from the Garden of Eden, Eve made it with a serpent to produce cane and then cane's bloodline. It was a bloodline change in the human race.

He's saying that basically we're going to develop a super race. Now when he says this, he often throws it into what he calls the spiritual realm and he says we're a spiritual super race.

But he also says things like there's coming a race war and whites and blacks will fight each other. And they're just little elements. If you understand the white supremacy, there's little things that he says that was so closely aligned with the white supremacists of the sixties, you could tell he was in closet as a white supremacist preaching a super race.

theology. And this this form of adoption that he's talking about, it takes a whole new meaning whenever you think of whites and blacks and and the you know the race wars that that was fighting back in the in the 1960s. So as we get into this keep that in the back of your mind.

Now probably what we're going to do is avoid that topic altogether but you can see how that is throughout all of his foundational doctrines that developed into what we call the message today which is the cult following of William Branham. And some of those things like we're talking about the manifested sons of God, the seed theology. If you understand where it came from and then understand who's teaching it you begin to understand why these aren't good people and why there's so many questions surrounding them. So as we get into this I think that's a good

good way to frame it historically. And then as we get into the theology you'll see that it's even more messed up than that. So John we're just weave this stuff together and hopefully people can come away with a clear picture what we're trying to talk about and how this spins together. But like I said it's very complicated. So in this and future episodes we're going to try to dig deeper you know and actually take what the leaders of this message have said the message of William Branham and take what the leaders are saying. Not just what I'm saying about it but what

you know William Branham has said in his tapes and then how the leaders have interpreted that. And then even the histories behind the movement such as Serpent Seed we know it came from a long history even before it was brought out or believed by the message of the hour. So then the controversies that surround these theologies because there's a lot of controversy here as we said before. So it's going to take a long time to put this together in a form that so people can see a clear picture because all of these branches have to be digested and presented in such a way so

it's very simple. And that's what I'm going to attempt to do is make it as simple as possible. It'll probably one of several episodes here that I like to do with you regarding how William Branham taught these concepts such as the election predestination the Serpent Seed seed of God even what he believed and what's key here is what he believed about Jesus Christ as well as what they term nominal believers Christian believers. And then what caused him to separate his group from the larger Christian church and how he convinced his followers that his group was the elite of the elite. I don't think the NAR

you know goes as far as the message and disrespect of eliteness or being bride called out of a church itself but they do push these doctrines with respect to what they believe about themselves.

Now we're going to fast forward to today where we have the new path to stock reformation which were inspired by ministries such as William Branham's. We're going to do that. And that's of course we know is a charismatic pinnacle style movement that stresses restoration of the apostles and prophets in the church. New revelations from God and call for Christians to dominate their key societal mountains like government, education, and media.

And it's often called, you know, dominion theology. But it was William Brannum's doctrine that became, you know, found its way into this. That gave them the foundation for building upon this. The NAR uses those bits of theology of Brannum for their own purposes in that respect.

And they put great emphasis on spiritual warfare, working of miracles, and transforming the culture to ushering God's kingdom on earth. So how do these connect? You know, Brannum's idea is, you know, didn't fade.

They fueled the latter reign revival in the late 40s around 1948 or so. And latter reign was that movement that emphasized the prophetic gifts and apostolic authority. And that directly influenced the NAR's foundations.

But Brannum's theology was totally interwoven in all that. There's healing ministry and techniques and teachings on prophets echoed in the latter reign and was later condemned, of course, by mainstream Pentecostals, which separated from the group.

But it also seeded and supported the NAR's focus on the modern apostles and prophets and added this dimension of spiritual dominion or taking dominion using that Genesis 3 mandate to have dominion over the earth that was given to Adam before the fall.

As well as things like Jesus' statement, you know, he said occupy it till I come. And so in their minds to occupy means to take over society, including, you know, governments and make them a Christian theocracy of sorts.

Elements like the serpent seed and the dual lineages even subtly appear in some of the NAR's offshoots, views on generational curses and warfare against evil bloodlines, it's a lineage of influence from Brannum's era to today's, you know, global networks that we see.

So we, Brannum, you know, from the start of his ministry in the 30s is at the very heart, you know, popularizing these ideas that appear in the 20th century and beyond. And in prior episodes, we've discussed the history of where this doctrine of serpent seed came from and how migrated over to the United States to the mid to late 1800s.

You know, Roy Davis likely came across this doctrine from Daniel Parker who lived very close to him in Texas and eventually fit his reasons for supporting the clan. And these doctrines then found William Brannum as he was mentored by Davis and he started his own ministry.

So Brannum's famous message called the serpent seed was in 1958 when he finally became brought these doctrines to the forefront and very publicly in a public way. And this was at a time when his ministry was on the downslide from being rejected from the mainstream Pentecostal movement.

It's like, is this serpent seed doctrine that, you know, it may not have begun with Brannum, but definitely was picked up and taught probably by his mentor, Roy Davis. And then he embraced it.

The doctrine was used to support, of course, eventually. how we become gods because we are the seed of God in the beginning, and we're going to really discuss that and bring that out here.

So Keith William Brennan's teachings is the concept of the seed of God, which I will show, you know, he believed they were eternal thoughts of God or even attributes of God in the beginning.

And I believe in how they came into being is very important to as well. I believe this doctrine is very deceptive and that it's not spiritually edifying to Christians. And the only thing I see it does is boost their natural egos and to thank you themselves more highly than others who don't know the secret doctrine.

So what I say to be the most deceptive about this is the leaders and the followers. I'll thank themselves that they're preaching does come from the Word of God. That's what makes it deceptive is because they can try to show that it comes from the Word of God and they believe it's truth out of the Word of God.

So if a person is convinced, you know, that their teaching is from the Word of God and that they're teaching a certain truth and they're sincere, you know, it does become a very difficult thing to get them to see anything else, you know, once they see in those teaching and those lenses, changing what they believe may be almost impossible, you know, in this lifetime and this God does something to intervene and open their eyes, you know, of course, like you did to us, you know, when we came out of the message message.

So what we're talking about over the next few episodes here ties directly into Dominion Theologies, as we've said, you know, and William Brantum's group, you know, they believe they will be ruling the world in the millennium, whereas in the NAR side, they point to the here and now both groups in the end are ruling, say in a human sense, over non-believers, you know, because in William Brantum's group in a millennium, you've got centers still there in this world that they are ruling over in the NAR, you've got the centers in the present world that they want to rule over as well.

So both groups come together in that respect and that's how they're related. But a strong theme in the NAR is Dominion theology and it's the idea that Christians are called to exercise spiritual authority in society, restoring God's original intent for creation when you said Adam to rule.

So being God's seed is seen as part of reclaiming Adam's lost dominion in Genesis 1, 26 to 28. And believers are framed in this movement as kingly heirs who will bring God's kingdom rule into every sphere of life and society, church, family, government, business, arts, you name it.

And William Brantum's message is similar in this respect, however the message believers are waiting on doing these things in the millennial kingdom. Now I'll read just a couple of quotes here before we get started and just to show you that William Brantum believed in this very strongly.

In 61 and May the 19th cert we would see Jesus, William Brantum quotes and that's exactly what God prophesied would take place. The heavens... an earth will be on fire and burn with fervent heat said before that great and terrible day of the Lord shall come the world will be burnt up with a fire malachafor and said the righteous shall walk out upon the ashes the volcanic ashes of the wicked in the millennium that's right now my question from this quote is if if all the wicked is burned up before the righteous walk out on these ashes then where are the sinners to rule over in the millennial

kingdom it should be all just saints of God right now listen to this and 61 November the 12th of true sign that's overlooked when brandham said that's today I walk down the street and see these people you can talk to them and they laugh at you make fun of you I think what is it the other day I was walking along down the side of the square down here I was talking to some people and they just said oh walk down something just said to me there are atomic fodder soon to be ashes scattered upon the ground let them

alone you spoke your peace get ready and get out of here hallelujah and in 62 and may 27th of 1962 questions and answers and listen to this and then at the return of the church and the bride the bride in Christ shall walk out upon their ashes in the millennium when the earth is purified by fire and there they shall reign now listen to this and the heathens us never heard the gospel shall be raised in that time and the sons of God will be manifested now what's so interesting about this quote is that okay you've just burned the earth over

and the the righteous are now walking out upon ashes there's no people and then he says the heathens has never heard the gospel will be raised up in their bodies now now tell me a scenario in the Bible where God's going to raise up unbelievers and and has never heard the gospel and then have to see the sons of God manifest you know this is where they get into this dark area in this places unbiblical because I don't know where you'd find that in the scriptures and listen he goes on he says if he's here to reign he's got to have something

to reign over he's got to domain and it says and they ruled and reign with Christ and Christ ruled with a rod of iron the nations then the gospel then the manifested sons of God with authority just like he had when he was here see there will come the millennium in that reign see upon the ashes so it's kind of like he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth here because he's saying first of all everything's going to be burned up and the people will be ashes but yet they're going to be raised up in bodies so we can rule and reign over them you know it looks

like to me John they already had their chance to hear the gospel and the repent prior to this burning of the earth don't you think absolutely but you know I've come to the conclusion that he really didn't understand the gospel and I'm fairly certain that he never read the Bible even though he held it and every once in a while he would read one verse and he would say I'm taking this one verse as my context, which is the opposite of context, but I'm fairly certain that he never read it because there are themes that he brings that, again, it's

tied very closely to white supremacy, but it is so anti-biblical that it doesn't even fit within the context of the Bible. This example here, he says in 1961, it's a sermon called Gabriel's instructions to Daniel.

He says before this message is over, now he's talking about his recorded sermons when he says the message. Before this message is over, you'll see it's thus say at the Lord by word and spirit, Israel will be converted the whole nation in one night.

He says, but the gospel is not even to them. He said there's just a few renegades that's out so forth that will come in outside of the main body of the Jews that will get saved.

So think of this, he is saying that literally if you are a Jewish person, the gospel was not to you, to if you accept the gospel, you're a renegade. So the gospel isn't that important to him.

It's more that the most important thing out of that whole statement that he just made was that he is the one who would bring forth their salvation. So he's understanding salvation and the gospel to be this, you know, this elect seed leader, not even the elect seed itself or God working through them, but literally the leader of the elect seed would come forth and he says that's thus say at the Lord.

So he's claiming that that is by vision, by prophecy, God speaking through him, that if you accept the gospel and you are a Jew, you are a renegade. And that just, it doesn't sit right with me when I hear that.

If you, again, if you consider the context of working with white supremacist leaders, with Christian identity leaders, this is exactly what they would be saying. They would be saying the Jews are, you know, the gospel is not to them, but the Bible says the gospel was first to the Jew then to the Gentile.

So this doesn't fit within the context of the Bible. Again, he's talking like you said about serpent seed, he's talking about the two bloodlines. The Christian identity people believe that the Jews were not of that bloodline.

So if you think in that context and then bring, so the, you know, the serpent seed doctrine, think about today's NAR where they're teaching this seed theology or this spiritual DNA. I heard Bill Johnson that we just did a podcast on, I think it comes out long before this one, but Bill Johnson is saying something to the effect that when you become a Christian, it actually rewrites your DNA.

So if you think about all of these things that people are saying in the NAR claiming to be apostles or prophets, and it just doesn't sit right with you, we'll think all the way back to where it came from and it really...

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On behalf of William Brannum Historical Research, we want to thank you for your support. John, it's just so many twists and turns with this. You just have to make up theology as you go to get it to fit your belief system.

As I was saying, this theology, as any aberrant theology, is particularly dangerous because it does cause a deception and it's difficult to detect here because the leaders can weave scriptures into what they're saying.

As we know, you can take scripture out of context and make it say anything you want. Just like William Brannum took Malachau for out of context and made him to be the Malachau for a prophet when we know the scriptures teach that as John the Baptist.

But William Brannum truly believed what he was saying that was scriptural and his confidence in what he was saying has a strong influence upon others because he could manifest the supernatural. Here, I want you to see what he's saying here.

As he pulled away from the church world in 1962, he gets down to speaking this message on the spoken word as the original seed and he does say a whole lot in there regarding these topics we're talking about.

But in March of 18, 1962, here's how strong he believes that he's speaking is the word of God. He says, I'm saying the word. I'm not putting anything here. I'm just telling you what the Bible says about believing this word.

And that's what I've done is try to believe that word just the way it's wrote. I don't add anything, take anything. I just read it the way it is and believe it just like that.

And by the grace and help of Almighty God, he's confirmed it. Now we know everyone of his followers, even William Brannum himself, absolutely believe they have the truth of God out of the word of God.

That is why it's very difficult to speak to them about these things or to speak to them about the issues with William Brannum's ministry because they do not want to hear anything negative set about it because they firmly believe he had the truth.

They believe this largely because what they thought they saw in William Brannum. and his ministry was vindicated signs and wonders. Now, we've seen most of these so-called signs debunked over the years. I mean, you've done a great job at showing how these things were not real.

That's how the others, even we know the bridge vision over the high river. You know, never happened like he said. We know there's no witnesses who saw any light above his head while he was baptizing 20 or so people rather than the 500 he claimed on the high river in 1933.

We know that he lied about seeing a bridge being built with 16 men falling off of it and how his organization had, say, voice of God, has covered that up by bringing in false statements and witnesses such as the former mayor's son, you know, to testify to something they have no knowledge of.

No firsthand knowledge of such a saying that 16 men fell into the concrete pillars and were buried as the concrete was being poured and this was not even made public knowledge at the time.

They just covered it up. Whereas we know from the vision itself, we and Brenham contended that 16 men drowned in the water as the bridge collapsed as a portion of the bridge fell into the water.

So neither of these things were true at all because history has been gone over many times now. Hundreds of documents have proven this out that it never happened. We know that he lied about the cloud that appeared over Flagstaff in 1963, which became really the climax of his ministry and that was caused by a rocket that was intentionally exploded and while there's not much public knowledge about this at the time when it was not well known about the origins of the cloud, he integrated this natural phenomena in his ministry to make it appear supernatural.

So that the preaching of the seven seals would appear like it was directly given by, to form heaven by angels, where we know in fact he copied clearance Larkin's information in books. We know that his visions also, you know, time and time again, you know, failed over time, you know, they did not come to pass as he spoke them.

So the ministry in the message of today has learned to present all this, you know, very smooth to hide all these rough corners, to hide the skeletons in the closet as do all groups with unusual teachings or beliefs and those that try to hide the truth from their followers.

They keep the truth hidden and the followers are much too afraid to go look for themselves out of fear they'll lose their souls. Should they put one negative thought about the message into their brains?

It was pure mind control in my opinion. So over time, you know, as these teachings are smoothed out, streamlined with the Bible to make them appear correct and biblical, you know, that's how they do it.

But there's one fraud flaw, you know, William Radham had when he was preaching, he oversimplified a lot of things in the scriptures. And so he would pull them out of context to use them to support his ministry.

However, what he was saying about the scripture was not what was intended. And I think we've shown that. We're going to show you the more of that. If you have a simple Bible study and put his- preaching alongside of it a lot of times you'll be able to see the errors, you know, very quickly.

As long as you're not taking his preaching as the truth, the ministers that have come after him, of course, have done a great job at smoothing out these misstatements. And you know, getting the message to make sense, you know, at least to them. But as I want to begin to explain and show how this teaching that we're talking about, the manifest sons, the seed of God and all that, I'll show how it diminishes Christ and even the origins of Christ and where Christ came from and who he is and what he did on the cross. It tends to diminish that. And sometimes later we'll

show some examples as we show about this teaching. It exhausts the human being because for one thing, they believe that if I was a seed of God, I was in him in the beginning instead of created at some later date. And it clouds the gospel as well as all that. It puts your focus on man.

The last point is extremely dangerous, not only to others, but to the very people who believe it, because it's worse for them because Paul places those who distort the gospel and diminish the gospel, just the pure faith in Christ and him crucified under a curse. And that's, curse means total separation from God for anyone preaching any other gospel than what Paul had at the beginning.

So that is why William Bram can make statements like the gospel of Paul and the apostles will not even work in this day. Adoption is another topic we'll discuss and how he taught how William Bram taught adoption is going to be a large part of this series. And in fact, that's what I started with, but I had to go branching off into these other areas to be able to show the full impact of it.

But his views, I believe, on adoption and the way he plainly teaches it, is contrary to scripture as he presents it, the adoption of the believer. But what the charismatic in the NAR world has done with this, just take bits and pieces from it, not the whole thing because they obviously probably know the difference in good doctrine, bad doctrine, in those respects. But those bits and pieces do make the Christian exalted using the same philosophy to be God likeness and to be able to become a God. You know, that's just it. The manifest sons of God doctrine, the William Bram was preaching

and seeding throughout his sermons, little elements of this. If you understand what those elements are and where they came from, and then look at the modern, you know, charismatic movement had it to some extent, a lot of different leaders in the NAR have this. They're talking about this sons of God doctrine and how you can become little gods. They use that verbiage. They basically take a few verses out of the Bible and say that you too can become just like God. And look all the way back to the book of Genesis. What was the first original sin that Satan brought forth to

even Adam said, basically, you- can become like God. You can have this knowledge. And William Brannemus, his entire ministry, the message, as he called it, if you sum it up, it's that he brought back these divine mysteries that can give you the secret knowledge.

And you too can become like God. It literally was the same thing that the serpent did in the Garden of Eden. And then to think that from that, developed all of these different groups that are claiming that if you become like God, your DNA is changed, your different person, your spiritual seed, however they phrase it.

And there's different verbiages that they use for this. If you understand what they're saying, it is a step above and away from the salvation that's declared in the Bible. You don't need it. You don't need what Jesus did on the cross.

You too can become like God. Now, it's interesting because when they preach this, they're usually talking about in the context of the sermon, they'll go back to the cross and they'll bring in what Jesus did on the cross for the people.

But if you understand how all of that works and follow it out to its logical conclusion, what Jesus did on the cross was a thing of the past for these types of groups. Like William Brannem said, and what I said earlier, the gospel isn't to the Jews.

Brannem would have never said that the Bible was incorrect when in the Bible says clearly the gospel was first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. He would say that was for a different age.

And like you said, you know, he claimed that the gospel that Paul brought won't work today. You need my gospel, essentially. He's claiming that what we have is a different gospel. It's a new gospel.

It's one that's not in the Bible. You can only get it by the spoken word. And from that birthed all of the weirdness that we see today, the ramah that Kenneth Pagan's using all of the different apostles and prophets claiming that their words are divinely inspired from God and their new message, their new ministries is literally a new Bible for them.

What they're doing is essentially they're replacing the gospel that's in the Bible with their new gospel, their new good news. So the scheme of all of this, it's designed specifically to lead people away from the Bible.

And Brandon's purpose, it's hard to say what was his intentions, but I can't say from the different groups of people he was working with, their intentions would have been to point people towards the political arena and point them to a mindset, a worldview, a belief set that would condemn people that was not of what they would call the super race.

So it all comes back to this, as we'll get into in other episodes, this adoption theme, they're adopted into the super race. What that means to the message people, even though they don't know that it was intended to be racist, it means something different.

But in the end, it really comes out to be the same kind of thing that the white supremacists had. It's us versus them. And white supremacy. us with white skin, those who do not have white skin. In the cults, it's us who have the secret mysteries, the divine knowledge, the secret noses and nosticism, and those who don't. It's us versus them. And Jesus' ministry was not like this. It was inclusive. Come anybody who's willing to have faith in me and in the belief in the gospel if you believe you too can be saved. That's not the

message that was being preached. So I do agree with William Brannum. He says that his message is not the same one that Paul preached, but if you really understand what he's saying, his message was not, it was also not what Jesus Christ preached. John, I know to our listeners this probably feels like a very long introduction, but I've touched on a lot of things that, you know, that I plan to go into in more detail. As time goes on, as time permits, but I want to begin by saying, you know, it's teaching on the seed of God or the thoughts or attributes of God in the mind of God and eternity

past, uh, ties directly into the doctrine of the seed of the serpent. And you and I know we fully shown where that doctrine came from and and what the real meaning and motive was behind it, which was pure racism. So, but he took the seed doctrine to the extremes in his ministry. We know that so it and reaping, of course, is a biblical concept. And of course, we accept that. But within the charismatic world, it was even taken to mean some kind of magic formula to cause God to pour out wealth and prosperity to you. If you just saw a seed of money and to the top ministries,

so they can buy their airplanes, live in luxury in way in random searches. However, the seed doctrine was also taught, but went further and treated all human beings as being from one seed or the other seed, either God or the serpent. I'll show some examples from ministers as we go along and I want to say from the outset, I do believe the Bible teaches predestination and election of God's people before the foundation of the world. But there's a big, big difference in what I believe about what the Bible says about predestination and election and what the message teaches about it. So the danger

in teaching the doctrine of predestination or election, where the message teaches it and believers follow it as he put human beings in two camps spiritually. And I mean, what is on the inside of man, their spirit and soul when they're born into the world? Instead of all human beings, you know, spiritually what they are on the inside, being on a level playing field under God, you know, except God knows, I guess, from his mind back in eternity past, who he's going to call out of the human race and to save those, those people that he desires to save. Now, the message has a very different

thought about this than just putting people on a level playing field because they equate it to the seed of God versus the seed of the serpent coming out of the mind of God. In message thinking, human beings already possess God's seed when they're born. I've even heard ministers say that William Brownham could discern whether you were one seed or the the other while they built up his legend, I guess, in the people's minds.

I've heard that before. So I'm of the opinion that the reality is that all human beings, spiritually on the same level playing field, as far as being in a fallen state with a sinful nature, you know, they're totally depraved, totally lost and totally dead to God until God calls them and opens their eyes to the gospel.

Our very wills do not want to seek God. No one wants to seek after God. God has to call us. The gospel is open, I believe, to all humanity. And Jesus's death atones for all humanity.

But, but it's only those who are called and respond to the gospel will be able to activate that atoma. But in William Brownham's world, the gospel or in his terms, of course, the message of the hour is only open to the elect.

So I do believe that and it's only open to the elect there because they have something inside them to begin with. And there's a lot of things I could say about that. And I'll say later, but I do believe it's true that God has elected and predestinated to people who he has chosen to believe the gospel unto salvation.

But it's also true God never forces nor holds back anyone, you know, from believing the gospel for salvation. I believe the gospel is open to all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. And it's also true that even given that elections taught in the Bible, you know, every human being is given that responsibility before God and the opportunity to repent and believe.

So those two truths, the election and personal responsibility, they run side by side, but they never cross. You know, they're still their distinct, but they don't ever cross paths. God's not unjust because God will be unjust to condemn one and save the other without giving both equal opportunity.

But God's not unjust in this respect because the gospel call is to all humanity, but it's our choices that really decide our fate. You know, and this ties to some other smaller doctrines that I don't think are given much credit outside of the, you know, outside of the brand of movement.

You don't hear about it much, but they really need to have focus. One of them here in Jeffersonville, this is kind of a big deal. I know outside of Jeffersonville, there's probably even a lot of message believers that don't know that this is a thing.

But there's this doctrine of being kind to the bride. If you're in our group, you're in our elect, a leadist cult, which William Brennan called the bride, you are instantly saved because you believe in the group.

You're literally your faith is in the group, not in Jesus Christ. So we're, we're of the elect group. If you're a Christian who goes to another church and believes in Jesus Christ and has done all of the things that the Bible says to inherit the kingdom to gain your salvation, which is simply believing that believing in the gospel, believing that Jesus died for your sins, well, those believers in Christ aren't saved.

Only the elite group, the ones that will be in Brandham called the bride. However, if one of those other Christians, or even if it's an atheist, if a person is kind to a member of the cult, kind to the bride, they get this chance for heaven, this weird chance. It's like the, I don't know, the supernatural power that flows through the elitist group can flow into a person who's not in the elitist group, and they can suddenly inherit salvation.

So you have doctrines like this, which is weird, but you also have these things where William Brandham could go to, like he went to my grandfather, and he told my grandfather that all your children and your grandchildren will be saved.

It's like a free pass to heaven, get out of jail, free card. Well, that, that kind of doctrine shows you the way in which he diminished the gospel, and just totally rewrote what salvation truly was.

Because people who are under this umbrella, I've seen, I know other families who have had this type of blessing, and I've watched some of the families, they, they're the opposite of Christian. I mean, this is not, this is not a good thing to do to a person, to tell them that they just suddenly have a free pass to heaven.

But this is what William Brandham did, because he had no, there was no importance placed on the gospel or salvation. And when you really understand why that is, and understand that everything that he said, tying it back to these, these doctrines that literally came from white supremacists, if you understand that, if you're with the, with the white supremacists, and you are kind to them, you're doing, even some of the people, some of the black people who were near to the, the clan, if they were kind enough to the clan, they were somehow unscathed.

So you had this weird thing that was happening. I can't say that all of it comes from racism, but what I can say is, William Brandham truly had never read the Bible. He did not understand the plan of salvation that was in the Bible, but yet he was preaching it as though he had this new plan of salvation that he was given by, thus say at the Lord, and he's literally saying that the Bible plan of salvation, the biblical plan of salvation, if you followed it, you, if you're in your Jewish, you're a renegade.

So he did not understand what this plan of salvation was. So John, I wanted to get more into this today, but you know, like we said, it's going to take several tries, several episodes to make this clear.

So there's more to come. I've got much more to say on the subject and bringing out more sources and quotes, but next time, we'll begin exploring these doctrines and what message ministers have said, and even ministers in the NAR are saying, you know, these are very controversial subjects here.

So if anyone has different ideas about what I've said, you know, I'm certainly not the final word on these subjects either. I think that even some who's left the message, you know, they still retain some of the teachings of the message and their thinking as we'll go into this, but it shows how deep these things get into our psyche and how difficult it is to break out of it once you were convinced of the truth of what William Brown was saying. So I don't condemn or disparage anyone's thinking on these subjects but I do think that I know Jesus didn't intend certain things for us to think

about as children of God and such as exalting ourselves to some level that we're really not. So I do know that it's Jesus who gets all the glory and he always is and always will be God.

But I believe I can show that through message teaching that may not be exactly the case. But I believe Jesus was equal to God from eternity past and as part of God as the sun or word and eternity past just as much as the Father and the Holy Spirit. Those parts of God are God and eternity past. So these things do run deep and I do think I'm an alignment with Orthodox Christianity on this and I want to be and what we will see is that when you begin to think that you are as a human being something more than you're not and you start to get out then you start

to get outside of Orthodox Christianity and into the message and the NAR teachings. Man then begins to take center stage instead of Christ. Christ has pushed aside as it were. He's still there but he's not as preeminent as he should be and then man becomes Christ on earth in a literal sense.

And John there's just so much more we could talk about here about time is out today I know so I want to leave this subject today with a quote you know from William Brown just to wet our appetites for the next time. This was spoken in 1964 December 12 called the harvest time.

William Brown says God is sovereign when he who who could tell how to make things in the beginning when there was just he alone see and if we have eternal life there's only one form of eternal life and that's God. So if we have eternal life he says we were with God right then and he says in this quote part of the beginning he says a part of God we were his attribute we are now his attribute and because in the beginning was the word and a word is a thought expressed so we were his thoughts

then expressed into word and become what we are. Now in future episodes I'm going to take what he said in this quote and show how you know that's not exactly the best way to think about yourself in the beginning because if you were eternal with God in the beginning then that's why here sometimes I've heard out of message believers mouths always had eternal life. So why would you need Jesus Christ then if you came from eternal glory and lived in a body of flesh you would not even need the Lord Jesus Christ's death because you already were saved and that's where I think

the danger is on this doctrine. So we're going to bring out much more on this and hopefully we'll spend much more time on this so people can get a clearer picture because like I said It's a very deep subject, and it's very difficult to wrap your head around this, and I've had to put many hours into it just to wrap my own head around it.

So until next time, John, we'll keep going with this. And that, for me, actually, is the sum of all of the root of the problems here. It was a different Jesus he was teaching.

If you can understand the difference between what William Brannum taught as Jesus Christ and what Jesus meant to the church, and then understand what the Bible says and what literally all Christians who are not cult members believe, you understand that it was a totally different Jesus he was preaching, and that structure that he laid out for the manifested sons of God, the way that he taught it, he framed it such that, like you said, the life that began, the eternal life that you already had to begin with, what he's teaching in this form of adoption is literally that Jesus Christ himself was

adopted by God. Jesus was the greatest of the manifested sons of God until William Brannum, and he even clearly says this. He says that, you know, even the miracles that Jesus did look how many more in my ministry. I've had more miracles than Jesus did when he walked on the face of the earth. What he's trying to do is he's trying to diminish the Jesus of the Bible so that he can elevate himself into a higher status. That is problematic, but then to understand that that doctrine was accepted by so many men and women. If you look at the old magazines,

the voice of healing, the different ones, that he's a part of, all of these people are hearing him say these horrendous anti-Christian things, and listen to the recordings, you'll hear many of them say, hey man, hey man brother, they're hearing these things that are not just heretical, they're anti-biblical. These are very, very awful things that he's saying, and it creates an elitist mentality. Well, that elitist mentality spread throughout the movement. It developed into other worst movements and ended up into this thing that we, you know, the New Apostolic Reformation today.

It's just a broad label for many, many cults have formed from this foundation and their network through these apostolic networks to form this unified body of cult members. That's literally what this is, and the root of all of this when you trace it all the way back down to its root, it goes to the doctrines that he learned from people in white supremacy. So as we get into this more, I think it will, you know, some of the pieces of that puzzle will come together and I think people might understand more. But anyway, if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information,

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