When Revival Turns Political: How Earlier Movements Paved the Way for the NAR

Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast. I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at William-Branham.org where history proves that truth or at least their version of it is truly stranger than fiction. I get several emails about the research that has been published and the mountains and mountains of research that I'm still going through and one of the most common questions that I get is why is it so worse now than it was in the days of yesterday. You look back through the old

TV shows and films and everybody's happy and peaceful and you know people remember the good times of yesterday. One of the things that is really hard to understand and comprehend is that whenever you are experiencing something that is highly traumatic your mind kind of focuses on the things that aren't so troubling and you just simply put that off to the side and over time the trauma is seldom as remembered and therapists have to work through and kind of extract the things that you've locked up in your head. And so when people ask me this why is it so much worse now than it was in the days gone by. My answer is

always well if if you study history it actually isn't really any worse. History just keeps repeating itself. There are ebbs and flows of excessively worse versus you know somewhat bad but all through time there are many examples of what what we see today in this pseudo-Christian world this New Apostolic Reformation mess that has been created and the merging between that mess and politics it's really nothing new. The news media doesn't really help the situation because sadly when people study history in school you know high school college or just simply casually studying it they seldom include religious

history in their studies and if you only study the political and you ignore the religious side of it when you're studying history you don't get a full and complete picture. All you see is the you know the wars and the battles and the politics and all of the leadership how it ebbs and flows into worldwide disasters but you don't really understand the motivations behind some of those disasters.

And what I try to do is I explain it like this. Picture yourself as the leader of a foreign nation. And yes, you have different views on how the world should be, politics, structure of the economy, structure of even society.

You have developed into a different culture. But you see this other culture that's across the ocean who the leadership are being motivated by the funding of religious extremists. And those religious extremists are telling them that we as a nation, we being the other nation across the seas who's in a different culture, we are purely evil and we must eradicate the evil.

Well, what does that do to a nation of people, especially in leadership with people who are controlling large quantities of militia, arms, bombs, missiles, et cetera? It's going to make them mad. There's no way around it.

You're going to make them mad. And so when people see the New Apostolic Reformation today and they're looking at things like the Seven Mountains Mandate, we want to conquer society. We want to, there's this weird notion that different regions of the Earth are controlled by different demons.

And we must eradicate those demons. Well, it all sounds good from behind a pulpit. Well, it doesn't sound good to me, but to some people, it sounds good from sitting on the other side of the pulpit.

But if you're the nation that's going to be attacked, it doesn't sound good at all. It sounds like these people are crazy, which there's a lot of truth to that in my opinion. Sadly, many of these movements because of the church growth movement, they have developed into these massive church organizations that rival some of the smaller stores in the companies that sell goods in the mall.

It's just, it's this entire business enterprise if you look at it and think of it. And that business enterprise has many different branches and tentacles. Some of them are in lobbying in Washington, trying to get, trying to sway political votes with political and religious agendas.

And so if you're in one of these outside nations looking at this and you're thinking, well, my gosh, they're allowing the crazy people to sway the votes, to influence the policies. And the next step of this, logically speaking, they're going to come after us.

So what do you do? You start raising your defenses. Some nations may go on offensive. I mean, it's an entire mess if you really think of the logistics of how all of this plays out.

So when you look at the world today, you think, well, this is awful. How could it have developed into this? And the news, like I said, the news doesn't help it. There was a 2025 long-form article in the Atlantic that is describing the...

It just says the army of God comes out of the shadows as the heading. And it makes it sound like this is something that has been in the background in the United States, and now they're coming out of the shadows.

But if you understand history, this is not a new problem. This is something that has been there for decades and decades and decades. Yes, it appears to be more prevalent today, but the difference is we have a lot more reporting news coverage and access to media.

We have the internet. You can search the news media. We've got television of all flavors. When I grew up, you could get three channels if you were lucky. And you could only watch the news in the evening or early morning.

Today, they've got 24-7 news channels where you can sit and watch the news and see just how bad things are today. I'll never forget I was having a conversation with a guy here locally.

He was saying that it's just so much worse today. In today's world, I can't let my kids go out in the neighborhood because there might be some predator out there. There might be somebody who's mentally unstable and my kids are at risk.

So I keep them locked in the house. He said it wasn't that way when I grew up. We just went everywhere and we had bicycles. I remember this. It's like for you who didn't grow up in the 80s or before this, whenever I grew up, the stranger things.

It's a good example. All of these kids are just going everywhere in the neighborhood on the bicycles. If you had a bicycle, you had freedom back in the day. You don't see that much today. I drive around my neighborhood.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually seen a kid on a bike in the last year because parents are scared. They don't want their children to be hurt. And rightfully so, I don't want my children hurt.

But I was talking to this guy and he was reminiscing of how in the days gone by, how much better it was. And I had just the day before read a newspaper article talking about a person who was mentally unstable, who went on a rampage in Jeffersonville.

And this would have been, I think this was the 1910s or 1920s. And parents were just scared to let their children outside because this crazy guy is wreaking havoc and I think there were even some deaths involved.

But the point is, the news today is so easily accessible. You can sit on a bus and you can pull out your phone and you can read through news. You get bored and you read through other news.

And you know, in the car, you've got it. Even these little Amazon Alexa devices, you can say, hey, give me the news. There are just so many different outlets. let's have news, you have instant access to media.

And when something happens instantly, you know that it is happening. Even across the ocean, you see news that are coming, global news that's coming in. So today it feels worse because we have more access to hear the worse.

And take it all the way back into the ancient world. There were people who were scared to go on to the highways because you might get a person or group of people to attack you to steal everything you have.

No matter what point in time that you look as far back as you can go, you see that there are problems because with humans come human problems. That's really the bottom line. But back to the part about the religion and the politics.

This is something that has been going on for, like I said, decades. And even though the news now says that there are tens of millions of Christians, charismatic Christians that have embraced the NARS world view.

And they try to paint it as some new thing, this new apostolic reformation, some new thing. You have to understand that historically speaking, it isn't really a new thing. Even when C. Peter Wagner coined this term, the new apostolic reformation, he himself said, I'm just giving a name to something that already exists.

And it did. This was nothing new at all. And if you look at the political figures today, the ones that I said political purposefully, they're religious political figures. Lance Walnell, longtime activist and preacher associated with NAR and dominion theology, he describes President Trump as a modern day biblical king Cyrus.

And Walnell is so deeply connected, if you've listened to my podcast, he and pretty much everybody he is associating with publicly, they're all part of the same system that is doing the same things that they have done for decades.

And I want to just explore that phrase just a little bit, this biblical king Cyrus. How does that play out? When you look at Trump, you don't think, well, that's a biblical king Cyrus.

And people who are on the outside, they're looking in thinking, there's no way, man, this guy's crazy, this guy's a lunatic. And rightfully so, this is not something that is normal by no means.

But I want to unpack that just a little bit. And to do that, I've been talking Christian identity because that's been my focus for a long time, trying to understand the roots of what developed into the cult I grew up with and beyond.

How did it turn into IHOPKC, International House of Prayer in Kansas City, how is Bethel connected, how are all of these different major, major components of the New Apostolic Reformation connected? And... Most of it goes back to Christian identity and British Israelism, and Lance Walnows phrase a biblical king Cyrus.

If you understand that theology and philosophy, all of it makes sense, but we can unpack it just a little bit more. So today I wanted to go into that just a little bit because there, I've mentioned bits and pieces of this history, but unless you really take a deep dive and understand the complexities of what it all means, it really doesn't really do justice to the subject. So, I want to unpack that just a little bit, and I'm going to start actually with Roosevelt and the New Deal, because this is something that I think is significant. As all of this was forming,

I mentioned C. Peter Wagner. Wagner was an instructor at the Fuller Theological Seminary. The Fuller Theological Seminary was founded by Charles Fuller. Charles Fuller was in a group of people that was working with Gerald Burton-Winrod, who was a an outspoken Christian identity leader, a fundamentalist, and he and many others had joined together under an organization that was called the Defenders of the Christian Faith.

And much like Lance Walnell and many of the others today, who were taking biblical names and associating them with political figures of today, they were doing the same thing in the days of the 1920s through the 1940s that was building up to the time whenever the Laterane revival and the post-healing revival were going to explode across the United States.

And they attacked President Roosevelt very heavily during those years, because what they saw, and they used different Bible terms of Bible kings to apply to Roosevelt, but what they saw essentially was Roosevelt was enabling the massive influx of Jews, and the Christian identity people believed that the Jews that were in the world today were false Jews, so they would call them the so-called Jews, and they viewed President Roosevelt's New Deal policy. They would say things like this is the Jew deal, not the New Deal, this is the Jew deal, and they believed that his administration was just fully dominated by Jews, and that it was part of a broader Jewish conspiracy.

And the reason behind this is because of a publication that when Rod and others were very active in distributing, called the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and this was a fabricated text that was detailing an alleged Jewish plot for global domination. In other words, this would be the equivalent of today's new apostolic reformation, but from the Jews instead of the NAR people. The protocols were, protocols means basically the minutes or the proceedings of the learned elders of Zion. It was a conspiracy for a one-world government, a one-world religion, manipulating and controlling banks, newspapers,

Masonic lodges, and basically if you were in the camp where you believed that this was real, you were trained to believe that President Roosevelt was enabling it, and that eventually it was going to lead to World War III and finally Armageddon. And so Franklin Delano Roosevelt was seen as basically the opposite of what you see as Trump today. This was somebody who was bringing in destruction and we needed to, if you believed in this ideology, we as a people who believed in it needed to overthrow the government and we needed to kick out these so-called false Jews because

we are under the British Israel beliefs and framework. We are part of the lost 10 tribes of Israel and all of the scriptures that describe the blessings to Israel in the Old Testament apply to us as a Christian, modern Christian people. That's what they believed. And so they started to be very hostile against the federal state and basically the world government because they saw the world government as having been influenced by these so-called Jewish threat.

So compared it to today, it's pretty much the same thing, but it's in the opposite. So they were believing that it needed to be overthrown. Well, if you follow all of the milestones of history to what we see today, today they're just doing what they were teaching was happening back then. We need to overthrow this. We need to kick out the false Jews. We need to take back control of the United States and we eventually need to fight this global threat. Now many people today who are in the New Apostolic Reformation would argue strongly against this. They would say,

I'm not against the Jews. I love Israel. I support Israel. But you have to understand that in the historical context of this, the ideology behind what they're doing created the mess and they've long forgotten this ideology. So many people preaching this have no idea that it came from Christian identity and you can walk through some of that history in the podcast that Charles and I did on the Revival History series. But the other thing that they were preaching against President Roosevelt's anti-labor laws and anti- social warfare. The new deal empowered unions. And so whenever they saw that it was changing

the economy, they thought that this was part of the Jewish plot. If they can change the economy, they're going to decrease the economy. Things are going to get really, really bad. And we need to stop this really quickly because our economy will just crumble because of the Jewish threat.

And again, compared to today, look at today's economy and look what's happening now that this movement has actually made it all the way into Washington. You're seeing the same thing, but in a different direction. So, as I said, Gerald Burton-Winrod is doing this. You have Charles Fuller who is the founder of the seminary that C. Peter Wagner, the man who coined the term, the New Apostolic Reformation, they're all in this together. And it's under the disguise of, well, under the umbrella of the Christian fundamentalist. And there were different leagues that were set up as the fundamentalist leagues. The different leagues were involved in rallying in political

scenes or trying to get people elected who would fight for them to try to take back the government. They wanted, basically, they wanted to conquer the so-called mountain of government. And people like F. F. Bosworth, who was really influential in the post-World War II healing revival, who mentored William Brannum and Faith Healing, who was in John Alexander Dowie's Zion cult, who also worked closely with John G. Lake, Charles Fox Parham. He was writing articles for the for Gerald Burton-Winrod's newsletter or vice versa, I'd have to go back and look, but they were working together because this was an ideology that was shared across many different fundamentalists

and Pentecostal groups. So this was nothing that was a small, isolated, if you study Christian identity, it's kind of painted as this small, isolated thing. But if you understand what it means and all of the different details involved with Christian identity, you see it widespread throughout the entire fundamentalist type religions. And you see a lot of opposition to it, just much like today, you see the mainstream denominations are fighting back against this. No, don't do this. This does not look at all like Christianity. What are you people doing? Well, they were doing that back in the

20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, much like they're doing today and they're getting pushback. So when people say, why is it so much worse today? Why we see all these mainstream denominations condemning it and we've got all of these apologists who are exposing it, people like me who are publishing the history.

You've got all of this opposition to this Christian extremist religion that has flourished into the United States today. Why is it so much worse? And my statement is it's really not. We are just starting to see some of the fruits that have been planted years ago take root.

And the same thing has existed just in different ways and in different forms. Whenever I do a deep dive on something that has a Christian identity theme, I always try to mention Michael Barcoon's book, Religion and the Racist Right, the Origins of the Christian Identity because Barcoon traces Christian identity all the way back to British Israelism.

And he really describes what we're seeing today in the New Apostolic Reformation. Basically a hidden war between God's white Israel and a satanic Jewish world government. That's the picture that was painted by Christian identity. And it was describing the themes for state expansion, internationalism, economic planning as signs of the end times. And so people who were in the identity mindset, when I saw all of the different themes that were playing out in the world stage, they're starting to see that, well, this matches exactly what I'm reading in the Old Testament. So therefore, as a British Israelite, I can say that this applies to us and

I can apply it to this apocalyptic theme. And that apocalyptic theme, I think, is the key to understand when you look at all of this. So let's break down the King Cyrus theme that they're using. King Cyrus was a model of using God using a ruler for a special purpose. It comes from, I believe Isaiah 45. And God is using Cyrus, a pagan Persian king. And he is using the anointed, basically he's describing him as the anointed Messiah. And he's taken King Cyrus by the hand to subdue the nations and free Israel from exile. So whenever you hear people like Lance Walnell,

who is using the King Cyrus theme on President Trump, he's trying to say that essentially God is using this pagan guy, Trump. And Trump is going to free us from this captivity, the so-called captivity that we have. In other words, God can raise up a political leader for the task that is at hand. And even though the political leader may not even be a Christian, that's really the understanding. Well, if you apply this to all of the doctrines that is being pushed by the movement, what you're trying to say is that we have all of these different battles that are being fought

spiritual battles across the globe. And there are all of these demons that we have to attack who are taking demons controlling specific regions. So we must first get into the government, then once we're in the government, that we must attack the demons that are in the world governments on the world stage.

And so they have no issue whenever there is a war or a violent attack for no reason. And we start to see some of this playing out. If you've watched the news, you can see Trump doing many things that are questionable with regards to usage of the military.

Well, the people who are in leadership in the New Apostolic Reformation, they see Trump as a King Cyrus. King Cyrus can do these things because God is using him. And who are we to question God?

If something looks to be insane, it's because our minds can't comprehend the movement and the will of God. That's literally what it is. In other words, you're empowering the modern day King Cyrus to be untouchable by humans because God is controlling the person.

So when you see all of this mess, you have to understand that they're not looking at it as a human who's making really, really big mistakes. They're looking at as God is using our president to enact a world change, a new world order.

And we're part of that new world order. So this is something that, like I say, it has existed through time. Michael Barkun's book really explains how and why that came to be. Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign, charismatic and other fringe movements into the New Apostolic Reformation?

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So I've mentioned a few times the build up between the Christian identity movement and the emergence of the latter reign movement, the latter reign revivals, the post-World War 2 healing revival, all of the foundation that was laid that developed into the New Apostolic Reformation.

And I want to dive just a bit deeper in this. I remember when I first began publishing all of the British Israel information that I had started to collect at that time. I had no idea how much I would actually find as I went further.

I published just one simple article from the newspapers about Gordon Lindsay's involvement with the Christian identity movement. Now Gordon Lindsay was a founder of Christ, he was the founder of Christ for the Nation's Institute from which many of these people are trained, speak at, hold conferences with, hold events, share events, help support, help promote, etc.

Christ for the Nation's is fundamental in the development of what would become the New Apostolic Reformation. It was also deeply tied to William Brannum in the post-World War II healing revival. Gordon Lindsay was William Brannum's campaign manager and he largely through the work of he, Brannum and Jack Moore and the publication of the voice of healing magazine.

This created a network of ministers and evangelists who were all sharing the same platform, holding the same ideologies, spreading the same types of message as a common agenda to take back our Nation in ways that they said was a Christian means.

But if you understand who Gordon Lindsay was and the motivations that he had, and then understand that many of the ministers who joined in were of the same mindset, in other words, you don't join into something where you're hearing continually somebody speaking and preaching a certain agenda unless you're aligned with that agenda.

And Gordon Lindsay was deeply rooted in the Christian identity movement far even more than I understood. When I began publishing this, somebody contacted me and they were just really upset. They said, no way, Gordon Lindsay wasn't involved with British Israelism.

He wasn't involved with Christian identity. And at that time, like I said, I just had a couple, maybe two newspaper articles that was talking about Gordon Lindsay speaking at a Christian identity conference. Since then, I have found so much information and as I begin to understand Christian identity and British Israelism further, it's not even the newspaper articles where Gordon Lindsay is a keynote speaker, it's woven all throughout his theology and even his Doomsday scenarios.

So when you look at the world today, and you see all of these people who are preaching end of day's rhetoric, gloom, doom, fear tactics, take over the Nation, take back the Nation, hold the Nation so that we can then create a global new world order of our version of Christianity.

Gordon Lindsay was doing this years before even the laterane movement started. I came across a newspaper article from the Tacoma Times. Times, January 2, 1940, Reverend Gordon Lindsay to speak Wednesday. It is an advertisement advertising the Anglo-Saxon Christian Association.

So if you were in Christian identity, you had all of these different organizations and groups that were branding you as an Anglo-Saxon Christian, in a larger race as an Anglo-Saxon defines who you are, and as a Christian it defines you as a person who is in a greater purpose because you are part of the lost ten tribes of Israel.

And Lindsay was going to speak at an army and navy room in the hotel Winthrop to speak on the cycles of history relating to America and Great Britain. In other words, very much British israelism, talking about the cycles of history, the things that keep repeating themselves, applying the Old Testament times to what we see today.

But here's a key statement that is interesting that I had actually missed until recently. Reverend Lindsay recently resigned from a Billings Montana Church to complete a book on this subject of the vital chronology.

It says specifically, which according to Hugh Crom, the Secretary of the Anglo-Saxon and Corporate of Portland will equal to the work of Dr. Davidson and Bernard Nicklin. So what it's saying specifically is Gordon Lindsay is leaving his post as a leader of a church to focus specifically on Christian identity.

This puts him into the ranks of Christian identity much higher than I had even understood years ago when I was looking at this. He actually left his church to be part of a leader in the Christian identity movement and published books and documents that are supportive of Christian identity.

Now this is, again, 1940. This is seven full years before he started working with William Brannum and the Laterane Movement was birthed. He was doing very much the same thing that Gerald Burton Winrot was doing, just in a different part of the country.

So these two men, maybe they weren't working directly. We don't know. Maybe it was just indirectly. Both were working in the same capacity to plant all of the seeds that would develop and grow in the fundamentalist religion to birth the ideology.

And that ideology was this that we are the descendants of the lost ten tribes of Israel. All of the blessings that Israel was to be blessed with by God, according to the Old Testament, that applies to ancient Israel, but it also applies to us today.

And therefore, the biblical prophecy that was written to the ancients, it was written as a, they would say things like it is a shadow of... of the things to come. So when we read Biblical prophecy, Biblical prophecy to the movement meant something different than the rest of Christianity. Biblical prophecy meant a two-fold prophecy, partially applied to Israel, partially applied today. And so that became one of the bedrock themes for the movement, which would develop into people like Lance Wall now saying that President Trump is King Cyrus. He's saying that we see King Cyrus of the ancient world

that is for the ancients. But today we see this being fulfilled in a different way today. Gordon Lindsey was fundamental to the movement. And before it exploded into the movement that it became, in Shreveport where Jack Moore's church, the editor for the voice of healing, in 1947, early 1947, this was May 24th. Gordon Lindsey went to speak in Shreveport at the life tabernacle, saying, in a sermon entitled, where are we in prophecy? In other words, how do we interpret the political themes today? And how can they be viewed from an ancient prophecy that was to Israel?

And the advertisements said the significance of the world government now being formed, the atomic bomb, the outcome of the events in Palestine is World War III in the offering. Come here, Reverend Gordon Lindsey of Ashland, Oregon, the author, evangelist, and chronologist. That word chronologist, I want to dive deep into that a bit too, because this is significant and fundamental to the movement. Again, you had all of these hundreds of evangelists who were joining in.

They were bringing ministers into conferences who were joining in. They were all joining together. And you don't join a conference where somebody is speaking an ideology that you strongly disagree with. Lindsey was well respected and recognized in the movement for his chronologies that were binding the modern events that we see today to the prophecies of ancient Israel. In other words, British Israelism, he was famous for his British Israel chronologies. But if you understand the themes that he is using within those chronologies, they are Christian identity themes. And he is very much angry with President Roosevelt and his new deal. You can read this decades after President

Roosevelt is no longer even president in the voice of healing. In the 1952 issue of the voice of healing, he starts to break down the chronology of the timeline of things that we start to see happening. And he's using numbers that anybody can read and say, oh, Oh my gosh, this is purely evil.

He uses the number 666 to show that there are 666 day cycles that are repeating in significance to the coming election of November of 1952. Now anybody who's in the movement who sees the number 666 immediately they associate with Satan, that this is the number of the beast, and it's purposefully strategically done so that it can put you into a frame of mind before you even begin to read the content.

You're putting in the frame of mind that I'm going to be thinking about Satan because I see the number 666. And he walks you through the chronology of the Rome, Berlin, Tokyo, Axis in 1940, D.

Day in 1944, the significance of the election that's coming in November. In other words, be afraid, be careful who you're going to vote for because this is of spiritual significance. He talks about the birth of the nations in 1920, the attack at Pearl Harbor, the atomic bomb, North Atlantic Pact, and more.

So he's basically trying to tell you that we are seeing all of these events and they're happening in cycles of 666, therefore know that the beast is coming in the November election. That's what he ends with in the article, the coming presidential election of November 1952.

So much like we're seeing today, Lance Wal now, Cindy Jacobs, all of these different people who are just really pouring their energy into making people believe that the election that was happening between President Trump and Biden was of spiritual significance, Gordon Lindsey is doing this in 1952, and this isn't the first time that he's done this.

This is a cycle that much like his cycles of 666 days, these are cycles that are repeating. So he's doing it basically every presidential election. If he can sway the votes in one way or the other, the one that is aligned with the movement, that's the way in which they're going to sway them.

The people are so tightly bound to these leaders, so tightly bound to politics that you almost can't have their version of Christianity without being tied to some political event, especially a political election. So this is history that is repeating itself, and this is a 1952 article that I'm describing here.

This is the foundation of the movement. It is a political Christian identity movement, and I'll unpack that just a little bit further here in a bit. But the point I'm trying to make is, Gordon Lindsey was respected for these chronologies.

He was using the chronologies to sway politics. He was trying to say that you must fervently get energetically cited against a specific candidate because what we're seeing in the next election is Satan is going to come in and invade the United States by the wrong person who might be elected.

Therefore come vote for the guy that I want to vote for. Literally, that's what he's saying. And again, all of these hundreds of ministers, evangelists, missionaries, all of these people who are joined in the movement, they're joined into this ideology.

If you go here a conference, what are they going to be preaching? They're going to be preaching politics. What are they going to be preaching? They're going to be preaching Christian identity. They're going to be preaching the very things that Gordon Lindsay is saying.

He's the leader who's publishing this thing, right? If you're joined in the movement, your advertisement is his magazine. You're being advertised with this propaganda. It was a propaganda machine. He and William Branham created the propaganda machine for the sole purpose of swaying a mindset of people towards an ideology.

I think that really needs to sink in because most of the outcry for today's new apostolic reformation is that they're pushing the people into an ideology and they have subtly introduced that ideology alongside Christianity or pseudo-Christianity.

As it is being presented to the people, they're slipping in all of the politics. The news are saying, well, this is a brand new thing. Oh my gosh, they have invaded our politics. All you have to do is turn back the pages in history and you can see that this is going on forever and ever and ever.

Again, the problem is whenever you are studying history in the school system or just casually reading, seldom do you include the politics of Christianity along with your history that you're studying. You really have to study both to see how it progresses and why.

I mentioned that Gordon Lindsay is repeating the same cycle as much like he's claiming there is a cycle of 666. He is repeating the same rhetoric with other elections and other campaigns of politics.

Just turn back the pages to 1948. 1948, William Brannum has gone all through the United States and Canada. He is given the so-called mantle or they had different verbiage back then, but basically he's given the mantle of Smith-Wigglesworth.

All of the Pentecostals are ablaze because oh my gosh, here's another Smith-Wigglesworth. Gordon Lindsay comes to help organize Brannum's campaigns. William Brannum starts this newsletter called The Voice of Healing to publish his own ministry.

Gordon Lindsay comes in as an editor. Lindsay starts to take it over. Lindsay starts to publish articles to give people with itching ears the excitement of reading. about world prophecy and what he called biblical prophecy.

One of the things he did was introduce a column that was called the world in prophecy. And he would say things like in this article it says, November 1948 in prophecy, what is about to take place in America by Gordon Lindsay.

And then he walks you through all of the biblical prophecies and then compares them to modern events, much like the British Israel way of thinking where a modern event is being foretold in ancient Israel, but we can apply the ancient passages of text to today's world events.

He's doing this, but he is doing it with these random number associations. If you turn the page, there's a column where it, instead of the cycles of 666 days, he starts to use cycles of 2,520 days.

And he starts with the World War I era, gets into Palestine, the peace to the war, the Austria cycle, Hitler's supremacy, he goes through all of these different cycles. And what he's trying to say is that basically we're building up to something that is about to happen today.

And if you read the very last one on his article, he says, America, November 1948, 2520 days from the Munich peace area, era of 2,02500 days. And he says in December 7, 1941, the Japs attack Pearl Harbor.

And then in November, 1928, the New Deal regime ends. To go back in time, as I've mentioned before, to Gerald Burton-Winrod, preaching Christian identity and the Christian identity conferences, Gordon Lindsay, who's also preaching Christian identity in the Christian conferences, believing that the New Deal, that Franklin, Delano, Roosevelt had pushed as his political agenda, was a Jew deal.

They were all of the Christian identity people were against it. And Gordon Lindsay sees this as, now we've had this evil person who's in office, who's the bringing in the false Jews into America, going to take over America.

And now we are at a critical decision making place with the next election. Are we going to elect somebody who is going to continue in this purely what he said was evil, this false Jewish agenda that is coming to the United States?

Or are we going to stand up and vote for the right guy? Look at today's world, Lance Walnell, all of these different people who are pushing the idea that Trump is the Cyrus. If you're voting, you're actually voting in a spiritual war.

That's the same rhetoric today. That's the same rhetoric they had in Gordon Lindsay's days. And you can see it repeating in all... the cycles from any time that there is a identity person who's in influence in the United States Christian realm. He's going to be pushing the idea that you must vote, you must get engaged into your politics as a spiritual battle. It's not just a political battle, it's just not, it's not just a choice between one person who has got one platform and another person with a different platform. It is actually a battle of angels and demons. You're fighting a

spiritual war, you're engaged in a spiritual warfare. And if you don't do it, you are laying down your arms and you're not fighting for God. So therefore, stand up and vote for the guy that I say to vote for. That's really what is going on here. I mentioned that Lindsay's 666 days cycle of events that he was pushing in the 50s, the early 50s, was history repeating itself. We'll take a look at this September 1948 issue of the voice of healing in the same article column that's called The World in Prophecy. Lindsay has this remarkable demonstration in

the manner of which world events are occurring, not at random, but readily recognized time patterns or time measures. And here we're going to see again, 666 days. And he's got everything from Hitler install Stalin's pact, Hitler breaks the pack and invades Russia, the Japs attack. He uses the word Japs, which is offensive. I just said it, reading what he said. Japs the Japs attack, Pearl Harbor, atomic bomb on Hiroshima. He walks you through all of these cycles of 666 days.

So he's calculating in the same way that he's doing in the 50s where he's got this rhetoric that puts your mind in the frame of mind that there is some demon involved with all of these cycles.

And he walks you all the way up to June 6, 1944, D day. And he calls it D day of decision. And what he's doing, if you read the text of what he's saying in the column and the article text, he is walking you through time to July 29, 1946 when 21 nations gather to draw the peace treaty for the nations engaged in World War I. He says just 666 days later, a new world, a new world war started, which the United Nations was powerless to prevent. And he is leading you up to the belief

that if you calculate the days, you're going to come to the 1948 election. And for those of you that know your history, when I say the 1948 election, I'm referring to the 1948 United States presidential election, which was one of the most famous upset elections of American history.

between Harry Truman and Thomas Dewey. And it was a, under the context of the post-World War II tensions, the inflation labor strikes much, much like we saw as a precursor to when President Trump was elected, we had all of this economic tension.

This was also the start of the Cold War, which was significant. But here's where it gets interesting. This was also the election where Gerald L. K. Smith's Christian Nationalist Crusade, which was a presidential party, a short-lived presidential party.

It did run a presidential run in the ticket for 1948 for Smith as president. And I've spoken many, many times of all of the different connections between Gerald L. K. Smith and the key figures in Pentecostalism or Laterane.

But just to sum it up, and you can go back through the revival history to understand this, Gerald L. K. Smith was basically the leader of the California Ku Klux Klan. His right-hand man was Wesley Swift, who was trained in Amy Simple McPherson's Life Bible College, and who is one of the most infamous Christian identity leaders in Christian identity history.

You can read through his history in Michael Barkun's book. We've talked about it several times. But needless to say, Gerald L. K. Smith being a Christian identity leader in the election. And Gordon Lindsay saying, this is a showdown.

This is it. We need to go vote. We need to go vote. It's very easy to see what agenda he was trying to push here in the election that Gerald L. K. Smith is running for.

You've got so many different connections. One of the other connections, William Brannam's mentor, Roy Davis. He is working directly with Swift in Little Rock Arkansas during the Little Rock 9 to try to overturn the government's enforcement of the desegregation laws.

Some of that history is published. You can find it in the Roy Davis page. But this is just woven haul throughout the movement, this Christian identity. And it is insidious. Now from the surface, whenever you're a historian, if you study the history and you've studied it separate from the religious history, it's very difficult to piece all of this together.

You read Gordon Lindsay's statements here, and you think, well, this is just a religious nut job who's giving all of these different cycles of 666, 2520, all of these different number schemes to try to say, go vote for the guy that I want you to vote for.

And they just dismiss it as religious extremism as simply that, nothing else. But you have to understand learning the history and aligning it with the Christian agendas that were being pushed by the movement.

You start to see a much bigger. picture, much like this, where the presidential election is that of one of the most notorious Christian identity figures and the guy that he supported. Gordon Lindsay is saying, this is it, this is the big one, go vote, and this is the precursor to all of the different themes of apocalypse that come beyond this, because there are ministers who joined into the movement who weren't aware it was Christian identity.

All they see is all of this rhetoric that into the world is coming, we must claim back our nation, the nation is being invaded by the demonic systems, everything that Christian identity pushed, they brought to a spiritual level with their own doctrines and just kind of removed the racial component because they weren't aware that it existed.

So fast forward in today's world, would you say Lance Walnell or any of the people who are supporting him are Christian identity leaders, I don't know, I wouldn't go that far, but I can say that they're teaching the same framework of doctrine that Gordon Lindsay pushed when Gordon Lindsay himself was a Christian identity leader.

What's interesting is the lack of understanding of history by the news media and the problems that it presents and creates is no different than the lack of understanding of history by the Christian apologists who are trying to say, get out of this new apostolic reformation movement, it's scary, it is demonic, these people are pushing agendas that are politics and not Christianity, this is not what Christ wanted.

When they don't understand history, they try to present it as though it's something new and something that we're starting to see emerge today because of just a handful of charismatic leaders who have gone rogue.

The problem is that's not really the case. If you understand the history like I've been saying, this history continues to exist and repeat itself and it opens up the door for people like Dr. Michael Brown who wrote in this Christian post article from 2023, an honest question for the critics of NAR, the new apostolic reformation.

It opens the door for people like Brown to say that, no, what you're claiming as this new scary thing that is emerging called NAR, these are just doctrinal themes that have long pre-existed what we see today and what's interesting is, I've read through this article, I actually agree with most of it.

What he's saying is much like I have been saying throughout the course of this podcast, the things that they're preaching today in NAR, the same political agendas, the themes, all of this has pre-existed.

It's nothing new, they're just repackaging it, rebranding it and pushing it as a political agenda. That's essentially what Dr. Michael Brown is saying, if you read his article, the difference is, Brown is pe- painting it as something that is good, and I don't think even he understands just how deeply sinister this movement is.

If he were to understand that this came from Christian identity, the themes and agendas that are being pushed today are simply the rhetoric that was used back in the 1940s, and especially in the 60s, everything from against Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the new deal to against the desegregation of schools.

Everything that is dark in the history of race in this country is tied to this movement. Yes, they're not preaching the same race rhetoric, yes, many people who are in it are not racist by no means,

but the same themes that they're using and the way that they're reading the Bible out of its context to apply those themes, that has pre-existed what we see in the New Apostolic Reformation today, and I fully agree with Dr. Michael Brown on most of this, not all, but most.

It is something that pre-existed, and this is a dark sinister history, this is not a movement by God by no means. So like I said, a few times in the podcast, if you want to know history, you really have to understand the religious history and understand them in the same chronology.

When you do this, you'll find that history keeps repeating itself because people don't know the history, and so they fall into the same trap again and again and again, and what's gonna happen a decade from now, two decades from now, after all of this have subsided or gotten worse, people will suddenly think that there's this new thing that has emerged, and it closely resembles the New Apostolic Reformation, because history is repeating itself again and again and again.

And in that manner, I guess I somewhat agree, even with Gordon Lindsay on Satan's theme and agenda and all of these cycles, because you can see that same cycle of history repeating itself, the difference is Gordon Lindsay is painting it as, you know, all of the, all of the leaders who Christian identity were against from Franklin Delano, Roosevelt, et cetera, and I see it as a group of people who are using the name Jesus and pushing the same evil political agendas.

It's all evil, walk away from it, run away from it, run screaming from it, that's about all I have to say about that, but anyway, hopefully I have untangled some of this mess and you can kind of understand where some of these leaders are coming from and why and understand just how extremists that it really is, whether they want to admit it or not.

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